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Orban
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 Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:38 am Post subject: CarolBrass Model Giuffredi |
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Hello,
To the people here who play with a CarolBrass model Giuffredi.
-, Are you still happy with this trumpet?
-, What are the strengths and weaknesses?
Thank you. |
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Lawler Bb
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I've had mine for close to 18 months. Love it. Use it for all styles and situations. Rock, R&B/Funk, Salsa, Merengue, Classical, Brass Quintet, Church gigs, etc. It literally works for anything. Pitch is spot on and the sound is wonderful. Can be searingly bright and focused or super lush and warm with a simple mouthpiece change. Valves are excellent.
My only gripe is how thin the bell is......you can ding it by looking at it. I'm sure it contributes to the design goals, response, etc. but it is very delicate. More so than any other lightweight horn I have owned.
Overall, it's a fantastic instrument.
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Orban
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Lawler,
If you have experience with other famous trumpets...does the CB-Giuffredi play easier (less effort) than those?
(For example a Bach-Strad)
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Lawler Bb
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| Orban wrote: | Thank you Lawler,
If you have experience with other famous trumpets...does the CB-Giuffredi play easier (less effort) than those?
(For example a Bach-Strad)
Orban. |
I have experience with all of the major Bach configurations (I played Bachs for the first 25 years or so of my career, and still play a Bach C trumpet), most Schilkes, Benge, Olds, many Yamahas, other CarolBrass models, Lawler, early Eclipse, a couple of Kanstul, and others.
What specifically would you like to know? The CB AG is a very easy playing trumpet......great response, intonation, flexible tone quality (bright to dark), fairly broad yet focused sound, excellent valves, etc. It's up there with the most versatile trumpets on the market, IMHO.
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Orban
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ok thx.
I actually find the differences in playability astonishing.
Example.
I have 3 trumpets in use.
In order of ease of play:
1- Getzen Eterna 1987
2- Carol Brass 5000 YST
3- Yamaha 6335RC
(all 3 played with my mouthpiece Conn #4)
And I am therefore very curious whether the CB Giuffredi would be at the top of this list. |
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Lawler Bb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Orban wrote: | Ok thx.
I actually find the differences in playability astonishing.
Example.
I have 3 trumpets in use.
In order of ease of play:
1- Getzen Eterna 1987
2- Carol Brass 5000 YST
3- Yamaha 6335RC
(all 3 played with my mouthpiece Conn #4)
And I am therefore very curious whether the CB Giuffredi would be at the top of this list. |
What works for me may not work for you (and vice versa). All three of the trumpets you listed are easy playing, well made trumpets. The GB AG has a slightly wider sound than the 5000 YST and a little more open blow. I haven't played that specific model Getzen.
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Manuel de los Campos
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Lawler Bb wrote: | | The CB AG is a very easy playing trumpet......great response, intonation, flexible tone quality (bright to dark), fairly broad yet focused sound, excellent valves, etc. It's up there with the most versatile trumpets on the market, IMHO. |
This I say about my Getzen Eterna LB from 'The Dark Ages' so this says actually nothing.
Forget about Andrea Giuffredi, he is such a good player, if you give him a garden hose with a funnel he still can perform great. I think it's better to sail your own ship.
The name Carol Brass puts on the bell says as much as the name Maynard Ferguson Holton did put on their trumpet bells; buy a Holton MF horn and see if you can play Gonna Fly Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV5vwFbn2aM
You should stick to your Getzen Eterna. Great horns, real workhorses
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Orban
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Manuel:
" You should stick to your Getzen Eterna. Great horns, real workhorses "
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You're probably right, and I was aware of that too. But it still bothers me...
Should I replace my good old ugly Eterna?
With the risk of disappointment with a trumpet of today?.
Maybe even a Getzen Proteus (which I also dream about) doesn't play better than my old Eterna?
Who knows.... |
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I tend to agree with MdlC BUT I will also say that there are horns that suit certain players better than others. My Bach is a great horn and I won’t sell it but my Schmidt is just still even better (for me). There is nothing wrong with trying out other horns.
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I don't play the Eterna for the simple reason of weight. It's not heavy, it's just that, for health reasons, I need light horns.
I played a Getzen Eterna Severinsen - I don't know how that relates to your Eterna - in Lab Bands at North Texas, an Air Force band, classical ensembles, and in Jazz big bands and soul/disco/funk bands. The Severinsen served me well. Matter of fact, in one big band I played, the guy I sat next to - former Herman/Kenton lead player - traded his Benge for a Severinsen.
If you want to go new, the current Eterna Classic is like the old Severinsen.
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Manuel de los Campos
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Orban wrote: |
Should I replace my good old ugly Eterna?
With the risk of disappointment with a trumpet of today?.
Maybe even a Getzen Proteus (which I also dream about) doesn't play better than my old Eterna?
Who knows.... |
As your Eterna is from The Dark Ages she is allready drifted pretty much away from the original Severinsen design, I don't think there is much of a difference between your 1987 Eterna and the 907 Proteus.
In fact, I play a 1987 Eterna as well and to me I find her not much different like my late early Elkhart Bach 180-37.
The Carol Brass Giuffredi however is a horn with a very differend bell shape: more like Bach 72 and will generate a much deeper sound rather than a rich, compact sound of great projection. The question is if this bigger broader and darker sound of the Carol Brass Giuffredi trumpet matches with your own sound concept; it's not very wise to fight your instrument...
Why not give your Eterna an overhaul or some TLC? If she works for you, why bother?
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: | | Orban wrote: |
Should I replace my good old ugly Eterna?
With the risk of disappointment with a trumpet of today?.
Maybe even a Getzen Proteus (which I also dream about) doesn't play better than my old Eterna?
Who knows.... |
As your Eterna is from The Dark Ages she is allready drifted pretty much away from the original Severinsen design, I don't think there is much of a difference between your 1987 Eterna and the 907 Proteus.
In fact, I play a 1987 Eterna as well and to me I find her not much different like my late early Elkhart Bach 180-37.
The Carol Brass Giuffredi however is a horn with a very differend bell shape: more like Bach 72 and will generate a much deeper sound rather than a rich, compact sound of great projection. The question is if this bigger broader and darker sound of the Carol Brass Giuffredi trumpet matches with your own sound concept; it's not very wise to fight your instrument...
Why not give your Eterna an overhaul or some TLC? If she works for you, why bother? |
Ok, wait a minute. Have you PLAYED the AG? If not, how can you possibly tell the OP that his Getzen will work better for HIM? Drawing conclusions from specs is often inaccurate, and I understand that an Eterna from ‘87 is NOT the same as a Severinsen or the present day Eterna. And that doesn’t change anything I’m saying.
I’ve owned 3 Severinsens, and the current iteration, the Eterna 900 Classic. I also own the AG, along with two other well recognized horns, that many might say lean towards commercial / lead. My opinion: for ME, between the Getzens and the AG, I slightly prefer the AG, my use is almost 100% commercial. I would describe it as neither “deep” or “dark”, at least not for me, with a commercial mouthpiece.
No one is criticizing the Getzen here, they are well known and recognized, but these are opinions, and they’re subjective. No way would I tell you the AG would work better for you than your Getzen, or anyone else’s Getzen, so I’m not sure why are you’re repeatedly telling the OP he should “stick to” his Getzen. You have no way of knowing if it’s the best choice for him.
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Lawler Bb
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: | | Orban wrote: |
Should I replace my good old ugly Eterna?
With the risk of disappointment with a trumpet of today?.
Maybe even a Getzen Proteus (which I also dream about) doesn't play better than my old Eterna?
Who knows.... |
As your Eterna is from The Dark Ages she is allready drifted pretty much away from the original Severinsen design, I don't think there is much of a difference between your 1987 Eterna and the 907 Proteus.
In fact, I play a 1987 Eterna as well and to me I find her not much different like my late early Elkhart Bach 180-37.
The Carol Brass Giuffredi however is a horn with a very differend bell shape: more like Bach 72 and will generate a much deeper sound rather than a rich, compact sound of great projection. The question is if this bigger broader and darker sound of the Carol Brass Giuffredi trumpet matches with your own sound concept; it's not very wise to fight your instrument...
Why not give your Eterna an overhaul or some TLC? If she works for you, why bother? |
The AG is not dark and deep. Sure, it's a little broader than a Bach 37 or Getzen Severinsen, but it's still quite focused and has a lot of core. Its very resonant, vibrant, and a mouthpiece change can dramatically alter the color of sound. It also projects like crazy. Try one.
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