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jhatpro Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:15 pm Post subject: Which Chair to Double |
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Our community stage band has four trumpets. We have some charts written for three trumpets. Which chairs should be doubled if we want all four players to be able to play? _________________ Jim Hatfield
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say that depends on your situation as much as anything. If your first trumpet finds the range challenging for example, you may wish to double those parts. Can everyone play each part (because if 2 of the players can only play 3rd, the other options may be off the table anyway). The 3rd parts may be less audible in some parts, which you could double as well. Or maybe just write some 4th parts that double the 1st only an octave down. Or any combination of the above. _________________ "...even in their mighty company I shall not now feel ashamed."
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claf Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:33 am Post subject: |
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My preference goes either to:
- double the lowest part (which is generally the less audible)
- double the first part by splitting the lead sections (not 2 players playing at the same time during those passages) _________________ Bb: Schagerl Ganschhorn heavy, Schagerl James Morrison, Van Laar B7
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to all! I think we'll double the third part. Our fourth trumpet could benefit from playng in unison with a stronger player. _________________ Jim Hatfield
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zaferis Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:42 am Post subject: |
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My preference is to double from the bottom up.
But, it depends on the selection (sometime that 3rd part is redundant with a trombone or horn) and also if the 1st player is good with playing alone. Doubling the 1st book, with a principal and assistant approach, can make it far easier to get through a challenging program. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again. Doubling up from the bottom maks the most sense for this band. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"Old trumpet players never die, they just blow away."
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Double the lead part an octave lower wherever possible, in unison where it isn't. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:34 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | Double the lead part an octave lower wherever possible, in unison where it isn't. |
Exactly.... _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Plainfield, IN)
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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claf wrote: | My preference goes either to:
- double the lowest part (which is generally the less audible)
- double the first part by splitting the lead sections (not 2 players playing at the same time during those passages) |
I agree with this approach. If the lead player is strong enough, the 3rd part should be doubled. _________________ 1977 Bach Stradivarius ML 43
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Send one to the bar to get drinks for the section. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Billy B wrote: | Send one to the bar to get drinks for the section. |
 _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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JoshMizruchi Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve played both unison lead and unison 4th.
In my experience, both can work just fine. If you’re gonna double on lead make sure both lead players are in tune and agree on the pitch. If you double the 4th part, make sure both players don’t play too loud.
That should work surprisingly well! It did for me/us.
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:44 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | Double the lead part an octave lower wherever possible, in unison where it isn't. | This is what I do. If the lead needs a break, with a nod the 4th part player can play lead from the same music.
ps sometimes I write a fourth trumpet part, adding another harmony note where warranted, and otherwise doubling the first part down an octave.
And then there is this: my brother played fourth in one band where he occasionally doubled the first part UP an octave. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
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