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Brassnose
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I played my Bach 43GH from 1992 until just around the pandemic. 2019 was the first time I really *wanted* a new horn. It partly came about because I was playing different stuff than before but I now am mostly back on the Bach, so in a way the Bach is my forever horn.
Rather than trying to find a forever horn, however, I’d suggest to find a horn you like, play it as long as it works for you and then see what’s up next. Don’t overcomplicate things.
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Bryant Jordan
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| You really can’t find a better forever horn than a Bach 37. I’d recommend finding one you really like and never selling it. It can do EVERYTHING and do everything well, especially when you have specific mouthpieces for specific sounds. I’ve owned a Mt Vernon 37 and currently have my forever horn, a 1943 New York 37 that was optimized for me by Charlie Melk. |
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The Happy Honker
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| Ed Kennedy wrote: | | I don't know what your skill level is, but, coming to a new town and a new school, I suggest establishing yourself with your private teacher and get his/her take on a suitable instrument for you. Go ahead and visit Landress' shop and try everything, but consult your teacher before pulling the trigger. As was said in The Untouchables, you don't want to "bring a knife to a gunfight" figuratively speaking. |
Congrats, Ed. You apparently are the first guy who read the original post and considered that someone who is just out of high school and about to attend college is still too young and whose playing is still too under-developed to even know what his/her forever horn would need to be, let alone be refined enough of a player to even be able to play challenging passages of music to be able to identify and appreciate the subtle differences between top-of-the-line horns.
But with that said, there's also the possibility, since it is the original poster's first post that it might be just a phony post - someone just punkin' the forum just to see what people will say.
"Music Performance in Jazz Studies" sounds phony. Usually, someone would say, "I'm going to NYU to get my Bachelors in Jazz Studies."
And "deep brooding tone." What high-school-aged kid says that?
What high school kid entering college would want to buy a "forever horn" anyway? One would think that even a young player would realize that as a someone evolves as a trumpet player, his/her tastes and preferences change and what they love today might not be what they want tomorrow. Or, there might be new innovations that come along of which players would want to take advantage.
To me, this question is more likely to be asked by someone who is an older player, possibly a comeback player who has been out-of-the-loop for a while and is unfamiliar with some of the newer domestic and foreign brands - notice the statement about wanting something other than a Bach or Yamaha, with which the person is already familiar. That's more likely the kind of person looking to find a "forever horn." IDK, just sayin' |
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onlyson
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[quote="onlyson"]So....one horn to rule them all? I spent 20 years looking for that one perfect horn. I have a list of some of the 40+ horns I have owned in that time. What I discovered eventually is that some horns are good for one style and some are better for another. So I now own 4 Bb's that I'm pretty happy with. But it seems I'm always looking, although a bit less these days. And I work in a music store where horns cross my path often. Last year a rock solid Bach Strad from the early 70's came along. I had always wanted one. And now it's mine. My precious. Until the next one comes along. Start a fund so you can pull the trigger when they cross your path. I've missed out on a couple of unicorns. Good luck!
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Manuel de los Campos
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| The Happy Honker wrote: |
Congrats, Ed. You apparently are the first guy who read the original post |
That makes us two 
That is why I advised the Getzen Artist 3001. With the right skills -eventually to be develloped- this horn can do anything (yes) that you want a trumpet to do.
As does a good Vincent Bach 37 but the O.P. has something against Vincent Bach trumpets...
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The Happy Honker
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: | | ...but the O.P. has something against Vincent Bach trumpets... |
-AND Yamaha.
The original post like it was written by someone who is well beyond entering college age and has owned Bachs and Yamahas and is looking for some magical holy grail horn suggestions. |
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Rhondo
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Some High school kids do play Bachs and Yamahas.
Many have teachers or band leaders who do.
There are high school kids who’ve played dozens of brands and models. Some are really into it, even with vintage brands. |
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Since you'll soon be going to school to learn more about music and trumpet in particular, it's pretty certain that you don't now know as much about your needs, or the expectations that will be placed on you, and so on, as you will know down the road.
Likewise for nearly everything else that relates to your upcoming journey.
If you have a usable horn now, why not play it and take advantage of the wisdom regarding horns that you will soon be gaining from your section mates, teachers, and colleagues? It would be wise to get a horn that your fellows and mentors will be comfortable with.
I agree completely with JayKosta's and Ed Kennedy's posts above and others that refer to them.
If you don't have an adequate horn now, why not seek wisdom from the same people at your school and decide on a useable instrument for the near future?
For useful context, it's typical for good players to use a number of different horns (for some, many different horns) as their needs, sensibilities, awareness and desires change over time. |
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I've had several "forever" horns that eventually were replaced with other "forever" horns. Still looking for my next "forever" horn. Guess I'll be looking forever.
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Rhondo
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Still looking for my forever wife
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trickg
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: |
...but the O.P. has something against Vincent Bach trumpets... |
| The Happy Honker wrote: |
The original post like it was written by someone who is well beyond entering college age and has owned Bachs and Yamahas and is looking for some magical holy grail horn suggestions. |
It seems more to me that the OP wants to be different, and part of how they want to stand out - part of their identity, if you will - is to play a trumpet that's different from gear that is considered "standard" and played by many - the Bach and Yamaha standbys.
That's fine, but they take a whole bevy of potentially great instruments off the table from the jump.
As for the sound they are looking for, that's not something specific to the horn as much as it is to the player, and different players can sound widely different on the exact same gear.
I went to a drum clinic once where the clinician had 5 players from the crowd play the same groove on the same set of drums with the same pair of sticks, and they all sounded completely different, which was the whole point of the clinic.
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Rogerrr
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| The Happy Honker wrote: |
I went to a drum clinic once where the clinician had 5 players from the crowd play the same groove on the same set of drums with the same pair of sticks, and they all sounded completely different, which was the whole point of the clinic. |
that's interesting...I would not have expected that from drums
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trickg
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| Rogerrr wrote: | | trickg wrote: | | I went to a drum clinic once where the clinician had 5 players from the crowd play the same groove on the same set of drums with the same pair of sticks, and they all sounded completely different, which was the whole point of the clinic. |
that's interesting...I would not have expected that from drums |
The differences come from just about everything:
--Where does the drummer hold the stick - the end, in the middle?
--How do they approach hitting the hi-hat cymbal - with the tip of the stick, close to the edge, in the middle, with shoulder of the stick on the edge, how hard, how light?
-- How do they hit the snare? What angle of the stick, where on the head, are they using the rim? How much velocity on the stick - are they whipping the stick with their wrist?
-- How are they hitting the kick drum? How hard/soft, are they bouncing the beater, are they burying the beater?
And then there's note placement. Is the drumming lilting their time on the high hat? What's the placement of the backbeat? Is it right in time or laid back on the backside of the beat?
Trumpet is similar - everyone is going to sound like themselves, mostly regardless of the equipment they are on.
Does anyone listen back to Maynard recordings and know what horn he was playing? IIRC, at various points he used a Selmer, Conn Constellation, a Martin Committee, a Caliccio, a Conn "Liberator," and of course a whole bevy of Holtons and even Monette. (I find it interesting that he was using a Conn "Liberator" for many of the recordings that are considered "classic" - MF Horn/MF Horn 2.)
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| Rhondo wrote: | Still looking for my forever wife
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Amen brother
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Croquethed
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| Rhondo wrote: | Still looking for my forever wife
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You know you have found the forever wife when she knows the hunt for the forever horn is kind of a constant. |
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HubbardFan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Finding My Forever Horn... |
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| MorganTpt wrote: | | I want a professional trumpet that can offer me that smooth deep brooding tone I need as a jazz player while also being unique enough for it to be personal to me. |
Clifford Brown - Blessing Super Artist: You can find them for under $500 if you buy a York or Silvertone stencil made by Blessing
Lee Morgan - Olds Ambassador: Plenty available in decent condition for under $300
Chet Baker - Buescher Aristocrat: Can be found for under $200 on eBay
Freddie Hubbard - Conn 8B: it's twin model, the Conn 77B can be had for $300 or less
Nat Adderley - King Silvertone cornet: you can find the all-brass King Master model for under $300, or the silver version for $500-600 |
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Ed Kennedy
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| Rhondo wrote: | Still looking for my forever wife
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Unfortunately, mine passed away a year ago. So now I content myself with playing music on the trumpet to the best of my ability. |
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Ed Kennedy
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| Brassnose wrote: | I played my Bach 43GH from 1992 until just around the pandemic. 2019 was the first time I really *wanted* a new horn. It partly came about because I was playing different stuff than before but I now am mostly back on the Bach, so in a way the Bach is my forever horn.
Rather than trying to find a forever horn, however, I’d suggest to find a horn you like, play it as long as it works for you and then see what’s up next. Don’t overcomplicate things. |
Good advise. Forever is a long time! |
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Brassnose
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In response to Ed Kennedys post just above: I visited my tech yesterday to have some waterkey issue fixed — as usual he wanted me to test/play/check out a few horns he had lying around for sale. The one that really piqued my interest was a Kanstul 990 in almost mint state. Some things felt much easier to play than on the Bach — similar to my Conn, but the Kanstul is in perfect technical shape, unlike the Conn which keeps having issues.
Wondering if I should „loan“ the Kanstul for a bit to get it to know better
I guess that’s the thing about forever horns. You always run into something interesting when you’re not looking.
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