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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:18 am Post subject: D trumpet repertoire |
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I recently got an absurdly good deal for an upgrade to my Eb/D trumpet, and...
I've done my fair share of orchestral and chamber music, and all of it so far can be handled very well with just Bb, C, Eb and Picc. But there's always the D side - bell and slides. If it's there, why not use it?
So - what are some pieces that lay really well or are written specifically for D trumpet? _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Sonata by Peter Maxwell Davies |
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nltrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Can definitely think of a few orch pieces D trumpet helps out on.
“With Malice Towards None” from Lincoln by John Williams- D trumpet is used by some.
I think Ghitalla used the D side of his trumpet to perform the Hummel in the key of E...
Nothing else immediately comes to mind. |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:19 am Post subject: |
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There isn't much, and it depends on the type of D trumpet you have and the rest of the section. But here's a few ideas...
1. Carols services. I find a D is great here - if it is more along the lines of a large, open singing type of horn. One can carry the melodies easily, has the low range for a few alto type parts and the descants can sing out easier.
2. 3rd parts in Bach, etc. But only if the 1st and 2nd players (AND the work) lend themselves to blending with a D. You may need a picc instead...
3. Ravel piano concerto, Pulcinella suite. These are standard practice to play on a D. there are others.
4. Anywhere using an Eb suddenly get a little awkward key/fingering-wise. (nothing much comes to mind this morning, yet)
So, what did the OP get hold of?
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I did "The Prayer of St. Gregory" on my senior recital in college. My teacher insisted I do it on a D trumpet instead of a Bb or C. It worked really well. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
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1969 Getzen Capri cornet
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wilder Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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HANDEL'S MESSIAH. jw |
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wilder Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and if you don't like to transpose, that one section in the 2nd trpt book for WEST SIDE STORY. jw |
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martin mc hale Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:08 am Post subject: |
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. 3rd parts in Bach, etc. But only if the 1st and 2nd players (AND the work) lend themselves to blending with a D. You may need a picc instead...
I can’t remember the last time I used the D side of my Stomvi . For recent work on Bach third suite and every time we play Messiah I use the Eb. Blends well sonically and intonation wise to the first player playing the picc in A . Easy peasy using normal A transposition on your Eb. |
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trumpetchops Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Everytime I think I'm going to use my D trumpet, I end up using Picc in A. It's rare that I use it and I think it was a mistake to buy it. _________________ Joe Spitzer
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Some of the Wallace-Head (Wedding, Christmas, Holy Week) books include D trumpet parts. Some Baroque pieces lie well on D trumpet. I find the larger D horn better than picc for some Christmas and Easter descants.
FWIWFM - Don _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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MalinTrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:10 pm Post subject: D trumpet |
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Brahms Symphony #2, Beethoven Symphonies # 7&9, Ravel Piano Concerto, I used it on the Pines of Rome....
You wouldn’t want to use a piccolo on any of these but they work well on the D.
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x9ret Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Although I have D trumpet parts created for everything I play on piccolo in A, it's true to say I play piccolo far more and only use D trumpet typically in an orchestral setting. _________________ https://payhip.com/sheetmusicplayalong |
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thesplitmeister Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have an Eb which doesn’t covert to D. Over the years I’ve bought D/Ebs and then sold them on when I went years without using the D....
That said there are some excerpts that really suit it. Ravel Piano in G for example is awkward in Eb and easier on D than C. Second trumpet in Handel’s Messiah is a lot nicer in D than Eb and while picc in A matches sound with 1st trumpet there are notes that don’t fit the trumpet so the D is the natural choice. Also Pulcinella springs to mind and weirdly there’s a recording of the LPO doing Mahler 5 on a D trumpet.......goes against the grain but if I could sound that big on my Bb I’d be happy so to each their own I say!
Worth mentioning are the D parts in Britten’s operas. For example Peter Grimes, there are sections which sit perfectly on the A picc and suit the setting, but he writes thinking there player is using a D not a picc so there are times where you play in the middle of the chord low in the voicing. A D trumpet is the obvious choice if you have the chops and the desire not to take a gigbag full of trumpets to the gig!! |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: D trumpet repertoire |
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dershem wrote: | I recently got an absurdly good deal for an upgrade to my Eb/D trumpet, and...
I've done my fair share of orchestral and chamber music, and all of it so far can be handled very well with just Bb, C, Eb and Picc. But there's always the D side - bell and slides. If it's there, why not use it?
So - what are some pieces that lay really well or are written specifically for D trumpet? |
Here are a couple:
Yves Chardon - Sonata Op. 21 for D trumpet and Cello
Jan Koetsier - Chorale Preludes for D trumpet and organ
McKimm - Sonata for D trumpet and organ.
Works that I have found work well in orchestral literature:
Copland - Music for the Theatre (first trumpet part written for C trumpet, but lays well on D trumpet)
Many third trumpet parts in D of Bach and Handel.
Respighi - Pines of Rome (especially movements 1 and 4)
Beethoven - Symphony No. 7
Beethoven - Symphony No. 9
Brahms - Symphony No. 2 (works well on C or D)
Various Mahler Symphony Segments
Prokofiev - Lt. Kije Suite (some of the trumpet part lays well on D trumpet)
Ravel - Piano Concerto in G(some like this on D, I prefer the largest bell on my Schilke G1-L4)
Several Strauss works have segments that lay well on D trumpet as well.
Stravinsky has several works that lay better on D trumpet as well.
Other works are also a part of this concept (I hear Tomasi Concerto lays well on a D trumpet, but have honestly never tried since I learned it on C trumpet).
Hope this helps,
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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ThatDude Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Let’s say you have a C trumpet and Piccolo you love...
At one point does one need a Eb/D? |
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RETrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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ThatDude wrote: | Let’s say you have a C trumpet and Piccolo you love...
At one point does one need a Eb/D? |
The moment you play and E3L with an adapted Bach 229....
Seriously though, I got mine because I was doing some solo stuff in school. Haydn, Hummel, etc... It's a short model, so it's not great for the heavy orchestral stuff, but I've used the D side on the Bach B-minor Mass enough that the horn has paid for itself and the short model blends wonderfully with the typical P5-4 in A. I've also done some quintet stuff with it. _________________ Bb: FrankenBach, '72 Committee, Conn 22B, King 2070SGX
C: Bach 229-MK slide/pipe, Bach 226 with YTR-9445(2) pipe
D/Eb: Bach 239 with YTR-9636 pipe
Picc: Stomvi Master, Couesnon Monopole
Cornet: Schilke A2C, '23 Buescher
Flugel: Scodwell Prototype |
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