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trjeam
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to make sure that I am doing this right.

K tounging is exacly what it is saying it is.

Just simply tounging Using the sylable K. right?

Just like the same way that I use K when triple or double tounging. except that claude tells us to practice using K. right?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, I have a teacher who can play for t's and than 4 k's in a row and you cant hear any difference at all
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-04-04 20:38, jkramb19 wrote:

Don't practice until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong



Hey, I really like that quote!

I don't really need to add anything to this K Tonguing thread, as you've all answered the original question quite well.

I will only say that when I first began the "K-Tonguing" exercises Claude gave me, I sounded really sloppy. I used to feel so embarrassed "K-Tonguing" the Clarke Technical Exercises in our High School practice rooms. I figured that nobody listening knew I was doing this "K-Tonguing" - they only heard an incredibly sloppy sounding trumpet player! I'm glad I stuck with it, though. Now when I "K-Tongue", it sounds pretty much the same as when I "T-Tongue". It just takes time and practice.

Sincerely,

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, Now that you can "K" tongue quite fluently, what is the advantage or application of it? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say sylable it's Kaaaa for the lower notes and Key(kee)

ka, key, ka, key, kaaaaaaaaaaa

The benefits I see are more focused air power when hitting the notes, stronger stomach and lip muscles and it seems to help with making sure the tongue tip is down and out of the way.

They seem to help keep the tongue tip planted and the arching working perfectly so during regular playing everything becomes second nature.

hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,

<<<help keep the tongue tip planted >>>

Where are you keeping the tip of your tongue planted?

Also, with your "K" tonguing, are you making a stomach lift with each and every attack? Do you do the same stomach action with your "T" tonguing?

Thanks in advance, Kyle
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re: tongue planted.

I was taught to keep it out of the airstream--dead center between the teeth.

I keep the tip of my tongue on the back of my two front lower teeth on the gum line.

The arch of my tongue doing all the moving and most of the work.

It's been a long time but I'll bet I was tonguing right at the center of my top teeth and into the airway BEFORE taking lessons with Claude.

Re: stomach lifts. I can't comment too much. Can't remember what Claude said.
Seems like my movements and contractions are down lower.

I didn't articulate another benefit of K tongue practice. It's combined stomach muscle and forced air give you a compact, condensed percussive blast of air assuring a higher percentage of fully attacked notes.

And all of this is just to give us the tools that will become second nature for the performance-- which must be flawless.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW-- I want to add that I don't anchor or plant my tongue.

I just can tell that the tip spends all it's time down behind my two lower front teeth.

But it slides up the teeth and backs down below the gum line on low notes.

Gotta get my words right and I just joined so I'm behind the power curb.

I've been over in usenet trumpet music makers for the last three years.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2002 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse my ignorance, but why practice "K" tonguing? Is it to help with double/triple tonguing or is it used to replace "T" tonguing?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practicing KT helps your range man!
That's why Claude made us do it. And do it.
And you should do it too. KT entire pages of etudes. Clarke studies. Anything you can find.
Hell, you can even KT whole gigs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-04-09 22:54, tptguy wrote:
John, Now that you can "K" tongue quite fluently, what is the advantage or application of it? Thanks in advance.


The advantages are:

Better overall control and feel of my tongue and playing in general.

Better and more even sounding Double and Triple Tonguing.

John
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