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Doublebuzz
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Cats,
Although I am very much a man, I notice when my wife is having cramps my upper register suffers. Does anyone else have this problem? I hope I am not alone. I don't want to be alone. IS anyone out there? OK anyway, I still practice the same but I think it is like sympathetic hormones. Anyone have any thoughts or tips?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think tension is the key. Tension kills upper range. Cramps = tension= tread lightly you sob.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before we go too far with this we were female in the womb bit, consider that males have both X and Y chromosones whereas females have only the X chromosone. After all woman was taken from man.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all I have to say...

This is one of the most disturbing posts I have yet to see...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a common response to someone that you love. This is especially true of life partners and the like. It is a sharing of experience that is done through the closeness that the 2 of you share...Natural vitamin E, Take the 800 iu's every day.


I agree, and think that this was a lovely post.
(I DO take 800iu vit. E daily myself, too)

Men in committed love relationships (to women) have been proven to have longer life spans than single men. (Similar statistics for gay men aren't available as far as I know) A sympathetic relationship to another human being is a sacred part of life.

To say "After all woman was taken from man", is to me, a disturbing form of religious proselytizing, and I don't think it belongs here. But I can't let it pass unanswered! Sorry, don't continue to read if this doesn't interest you...

The conflicts coming from that belief (that women CAME from man and is thusly, inferior in some way) and preserved in the Old Testament, have a historical background dating from the time when the old religions, (10,000BC--2000BC) which were agrarian and female positive*, were labeled "evil," as in, "abomination" by the religions of the nomadic desert tribes (which were male in expression) as they expanded via WAR into the fertile regions, long before Christianity. Similar, but earlier in origin to the distortion "Jews killed Jesus" argument which justified the slaughter of generations of people, or the seperation of races argument, Old Testament in origin, (the brother of Ham, or something) that justified slavery.
You have to dehumanize someone in order to keep them in their "place."
That was not the message of Jesus as I read it. He came to liberate all, realizing that he would set father against son, and causing scandle by choosing a woman, Mary M., as the reciever of His highest teachings after the crucifiction. (The Coptic Christian Gospel of Mary was officially oppressed at the conference of Nicea durring the reign of Constantine when Christianity became the official state religion of Rome)(q. Why did Constantine adopt Christianity? a. Because with the cross on their shields, his army never lost a battle, they killed more of the other poor bastards.
If anything, women have a civilizing effect on men, and their recent empowerment after years of oppression has made us all healthier and saner spiritual human beings.

* by saying "female positive" I do not mean to say these early agrarian societies which existed from Asia minor through Egypt and throughout the mediterranian basin, were matriarchial or particularly peaceful. They did however, recognize the value of female principle in symbol and in practice. The Earth (or the ocean in fishing cultures) was identified as being the mother of us all, and quite obviously the earth yealds crops as women yeald children, so the reproductive/creative principle is portraid as a "godess". The godess immage is found throughout the ancient world. It was preserved in it's most recient form as Marism within the Catholic Church.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if my upper range suffers because my wife and I are sharing a life experience or if I'm just stressed out because it's Patrick Must Suffer (PMS) week. Stress plays a big part of how well my upper range is going and trust me when I say, if momma aint happy, aint nobody happy!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a woman , I’d thought I’d contribute.

I’ve never had my high register suffer due to cramps. I think what brnt99 said is key – it is not the hormones, but the tension that causes trumpet playing to suffer. Obviously cramps are not too comfortable, but I think they are not an excuse for poor playing no more than a runny nose is. But I’m betting that if being around someone that is crabby and tense makes you tense yourself, it would definitely affect your playing. Some of my worst struggles in playing have come not because of obstacles related to trumpet but during times when I had a lot of external stress going on, such as right now given that final exams start in two days.

As far as edtaylor and Quad C’s comments…they are not quite correct. First of all, women have two X chromosomes, not one. The X chromosome is supplied by the mother’s egg, the other X or Y by the father’s sperm. Now, it has only been a year since I took a child and adolescent development course, so here goes: For the first 6 weeks, embryos are neither male nor female. At week 7, the presence of a Y chromosome triggers the differentiation of the sex glands into testes. The absence of the Y chromosome triggers the sex glands to develop into ovaries. So we are neither female nor male for the first six weeks of life, after which the sex glands differentiate into testes or ovaries. The testes then secrete androgen hormones, which arrest the development of female characteristics, and instead male characteristics develop. If androgens are absent or the embryo is insensitive to androgens, a female will develop. This means several things. First, it could be said that regardless of genetics, female is the “default” gender. Secondly, it is possible for a genetically male (XY) embryo to develop a female reproductive system and body. It is also possible for a genetically female (XX) embryo to receive androgens from the mother and develop into a male.

Woman does not come from man, nor does man come from woman. Gender comes from two chromosomes interacting with hormones in the womb.

Warbird, I don’t think this post is disturbing, especially not disturbing enough to start other threads concerning how disturbed you are. I find it disturbing is the fact that you have “In Christ” and the word “bastard” in the same post.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danelle,

Nicely said. Here is a question for you that I am curious about. Does playing trumpet during your cramping phase make the cramps worse since so much of that area is used for air support?

Going back to stess and having it affect your playing, as long as I'm not doing a 3 or 4 set rock band gig and endurance isn't an issue, I almost always play better if I've had too little sleep than I do if I got a full night's sleep or more than 8 hours. I think this is because I'm to tired to think too much so I just do it. It's like Crash says in "Bull Durham", "Don't think, It will only hurt the ball club."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nelle,
interesting to me that you don't notice a difference in your playing. I certainly do. I understand that women singers esp in Europe plan their concert schedules around their cycles because of the hormonal changes which also affect the vocal chords. I notice that my chops tend to get puffy - swollen - that edema thing. Not to mention the blowing part which just is not real pleasant. and it does knock a couple notes off the high end for a day or two. the gigs fall where they fall so it isn't much use to complain. I'd rather play than not play most days regardless.
Now my husband is also a player but I don't think he is quite that sympathetic that his playing suffers from it. My moods are another thing but justs lets me get over it.
Finally Nelle, I do agree with your comment on Warbird's signature. sick of seeing that.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick,
I've found that playing (or doing any sort of activity) tends to make my cramps feel better. Maybe it's because there's so much to worry about when playing that you don't have time to whine about cramps! But seriously, activity generally helps.

Pair of Kings,
I may lose some high notes, I really don't know. I don't really think about it that much so I don't really notice a decrease in performance. And luckily, I don't have the puffy lips problem.

Quad C,
"When the woman is truly revered as a true equal to man in this world we will have quite a wonderful place to live indeed." Well said. I'm glad you see that I generally agree with you. I have read WAY too many psych studies to still believe that there are no gender differences in how people think and behave. But different doesn't mean unequal.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quadruple C, as you may know, brain research has shown thet women have a larger corpus calosum (sp?), the connection between the two sides of the brain. As a result, the logical part of the mind is more informed by the emotional/abstract part. Women have been shown to be far superior at multi-tasking as well, particularly left handed women. (In left handedness there is a greater sharing of left and right brain functions)

In Christian middle ages Europe, left handedness was considered to be satanic, and even thirty years ago children in Catholic schools were forced to write right handed even if it was unnatural. Immagine if you were a red haired left handed woman in 1100 AD. You would be burned at the stake for being a witch!
I agree with you, oppression can't be maintained. There have been pessimists all along, but I think that the forms of the old world oppression Are slowly leaving. And as the 60s were a flushing out, now we are learning to "not throw the baby out with the bathwater" as we are recognizing the good old values such as personal responsibility and community kindness.
Back in 325, it wasn't just Constatine who took the power, his wife was the active one behind the throne...behind any great man...and any early Christian texts (many of which have been rediscovered, buried) that did not consolidate the power of the Roman priesthood were thrown out. All of the metaphysical and personal approaches to God were thrown out, and as happened in those days, the adherants of those spiritual schools were murdered. It has been estimated that historically, 10 million people in the old and new worlds have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ. People, negative, power hungry, fearful and disconnected (from spirit). People using a Great Truth for their own ends. (This is not anti-Christian any more than a description of Nazi atrocities is anti-German. It's just historical fact. I say "in the name of JC", and include the Crusades and the Conquistadors, etc., etc.)

About your signature--remember what you already know etc., reminds me that the word Education (Greek root) means "bringing out", as is your signature! The ancient Greeks Began the education of children With Music! It was thought that if you knew the musical forms, everything else could be added later with understanding. Sounds right to me!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-04-29 11:58, trickg wrote:
I don't know if my upper range suffers because my wife and I are sharing a life experience or if I'm just stressed out because it's Patrick Must Suffer (PMS) week. Stress plays a big part of how well my upper range is going and trust me when I say, if momma aint happy, aint nobody happy!

Patrick,

I won't touch this subject with a ten foot pole, but I fell out of my chair laughing when I read your response as it rings true for me, too. Not so much for range, but in coming up with jazz ideas when something else is weighing heavy on the mind. (I guess I just touched it with an eleven foot pole.)

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