• FAQ  • Search  • Memberlist  • Usergroups   • Register   • Profile  • Log in to check your private messages  • Log in 

High range on piccolo trumpet is easier



 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> High Range Development
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Rwwilson
Regular Member


Joined: 13 Sep 2019
Posts: 49
Location: Austin Texas

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 am    Post subject: High range on piccolo trumpet is easier Reply with quote

For most of my life my usable range on the trumpet is up to g above high c. As I’ve gotten older, I’m now 73, I’ve begun to have more difficulty above high c. This is not the case with my piccolo trumpet even if I use the same mouthpiece. I know it is easier to center the high notes on the piccolo because the partials are more spaced but this isn’t what I’m talking about. With the piccolo it is just easier to play the notes and produce them with good volume. I’m thinking if I understood this it might help me maintain my range on the standard trumpet.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
OldSchoolEuph
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2012
Posts: 1384

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on the picc, the bell is probably designed to favor higher range. This thread talks about bell design for range and the Olds CHR.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1505143
_________________
Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com

2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SteveDurand
Regular Member


Joined: 28 Dec 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Orange County, California

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the tubing length of a piccolo trumpet is 1/2 the length of a Bb trumpet, there is a standing wave in the instrument for an octave higher.

This means that you actually get some help from the acoustic impedance of the piccolo up to about a D over double C.

Unfortunately, there is no way to apply this to the standard Bb instrument. It is simply the physics of a standing wave in a closed tube.

Steve
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert P
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 28 Feb 2013
Posts: 1920

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on my own dabbling with a picc and what I've read others saying, I don't think your experience is universal.

It takes at least the same amount of effort for me to hit a G on a picc and I don't feel I can make it sing like I can on a Bb. I can get dub C on a hit/miss basis on the Bb horn, I know I can't get it on the picc.
_________________
Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C

Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo

Chinese Flugel
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zaferis
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Posts: 2018
Location: Beavercreek, OH

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this says more about your Bb than it does about your picc, or your playing. Most players don't gain range with the picc.. just different tone and slotting-your chops still have to vibrate the same pitch.

I suspect the Bb is not matched well to how you play - my first inclination is to guess that you're not moving enough air to support the larger instrument, thus when you play the picc. things pop a bit more.
Bb too big, too small, stuffy, student model.. something along those lines...

Then, second thought, it could be that the mouthpiece choice doesn't match the Bb as well as it does the picc.. cup, throat, backbore, etc..
_________________
Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Rod Haney
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 22 Aug 2015
Posts: 866

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blow a lot of air, too much as I continue to ascend. When I try to play the pic I can’t sound it well because I use the normal Bb blow. It’s been a few years but I sounded like I was playing a kazoo. So I really think a totally different approach has to be taken. I find playing softly on a Bb helps my range by putting more emphasis on aperture vs. velocity. But if you play rock or rock-blues or big band soft just won’t cut it. I can see using a pic to perhaps work on elements of high notes on Bb but at some point you have to use velocity to have a true voice at range. That’s my experience anyway, if I had access to a pic I would definitely play around with it to see, but a Bb just takes more breath to hit the same notes at volume.
Rod
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
tptptp
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 25 Oct 2001
Posts: 1208
Location: Georgia

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what you said is that your range on your Bb has worsened, but not so on your pic. Could your Bb be getting leaky?
_________________
Craig.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Brassnose
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 854
Location: Germany

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP is just saying the same high note is easier for him to play on picc than on Bb. I can relate to that. I have never been a high note player and on very good days I top out at ca. F/G over high C, but more realistically at E above high C. I also have less issues playing these notes on the picc - this just refers to the actual ability of producing the note, not the sound. Things on Bb and bass trumpet have improved a lot as soon as I started realizing that I need less air to play high, not more. Only took me 35 years to work that out but have made a lot of progress in playing higher over the last few years.
_________________
2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence - AR Resonance 40MC/40M Classical
1992 Bach 43GH/43 - Lotus 3S-N
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugelhorn - GR 65FL
2018 Prisma Bb bass trumpet - B&S 6 1/2 AL
Orchestra & a teacher 😎
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
picctpt33
Regular Member


Joined: 07 Aug 2019
Posts: 59

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always found that piccolo makes it easier to center high notes, but it still requires the same amount of effort to play them as it would on a standard Bb trumpet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> High Range Development All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group