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Simply Swingin' Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 525 Location: Atlanta, Georgia.
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: how many of you play/teach music for a living? |
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anybody? _________________ "Behold, I make all things new."- Jesus Christ, God Almighty
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Keep swingin'... |
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david johnson Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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i do. |
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BigBadWolf Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't teach much (I have 11 students, and that is 11 too many), but I do make my living playing. _________________ Kevin |
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ejaime23 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Posts: 1155 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I do! _________________ If the track is tough and the hill is rough, THINKING you can just ain't enough! - Shel Silverstein |
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vivace Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 3203 Location: BYU! Provo, UT
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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um... I am in school to be a music teacher... does that count? _________________ "All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing no song." - Louis Armstrong |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11314 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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I do
(with all the people writing that answer, this could almost be a mass wedding ) |
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Clarino Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 3010 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I tried once, but I was bad at it.
trumpetmike wrote: | I do
(with all the people writing that answer, this could almost be a mass wedding ) |
Not so. The words "I do" do not appear in any wedding ceremony I know of. It's actually "I will". |
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trumpetgirl612 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 3865 Location: practice room 114
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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im an ed major _________________ HI I'm a trumpet player, and I'm better than you.....
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Olds Ambassador Bb
Bach 43 LR Bb
Schilke c from experimental period with CSO
Blessing Artist Series Flugel
I'll ognore you anyday baby |
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brassmouth Regular Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 57 Location: Blackwood, NJ
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I plan to, if that counts. _________________ "A good composer does not imitate; he steals." -Igor Stravinsky |
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bandman322 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I have for 27-years -- Middle school Band Director for over 20 years in a very large, but very poor, middle school. It was a very rewarding job as I took the program from mediocity to being one of the best in our state. I took them from a total of 76 students to 411 when I left. We went from 1 performing band to 4 performing band plus the beginners.
Now I teach in a very small private Catholic school where I'm rebuilding a program. I started with 41 last year and ended the year with 101. I hope to build to at least 140 this year.
I love my job as a band director, and will tell you that poor public or wealthy private -- KIDS ARE KIDS! They all need our love, and they will all perform at what ever level we expect! _________________ C - Harrelson 750 Modified Bach Strad
Picc - Schilke P5-4
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"To be a teacher you need to be as good a performer as you can be: you'll have more to impart to your students musically." - John Haynie |
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deleted_user_c11c97e New Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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I do |
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txtrumpetguy Veteran Member
Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 370 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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I do. |
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gms979 Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 418 Location: College Park, MD
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Good thread, here!
As for me, I teach more than I gig, and it seems like many many many are in that boat. It is interesting, many of my friends I teach with have degrees from all of the big name music schools....this has potential to evolve into an interesting thread actually....easily sparked by people's reactions to this statement:
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
What do people think about this?
There is alot of grey area in this statement - some truth and some fiction.
An old teacher swore by this philosophy. It was ironic...he was teaching for who knows what reason (I'm not privy to the man's finances or internal motivational cues....can't assume anything, really) though he was recently retired from a high profile, full-time performing job. Without a doubt, he could "do" though he was teaching when I was with him.
What do you all think? Would love to see the debate on this one. From my experience, it seems that there are plenty who can "do" who choose to teach out of some sort of desire to (look at any conservatory faculty), and there plenty of those who "can't" who teach out of economic necessity, or ideally because that is where their heart is in the first place (like it seems with bandman322). Although, there are plenty of those who "can" who teach out of necessity as well, due to scarcity of work, or whatever other circumstance. Or does this mean they "can't" if we want to be really strict with our parameters?
Personally, I teach out of economic necessity (I consider myself in between "can't" and "can" while getting closer to "can" every day!) but also because I enjoy it, much more than I would have thought I did as an undergrad. Even if I did have a full-time performing gig, even if I could play circles around Smith, Smedvig, Gekker, et al., I would still take on a handful of students, including beginners, just because I find the perspective so valuable.
Up is down, down is up....confusing, this is! Where's Yoda to sort things out?
Can't wait for the opinions, esp. from some of our most opinionated members!
Thanks,
Greg
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the chief Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 1438 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Im' trying to put myself in a position to make a living playing trumpet. I wouldn't mind teaching (private lessons....), but Im' not really interested in teaching at a middle-school/high school level. That is a lot of work for something that Im' not passionate about.
A lot of people like to tell me to do something else, and it's kind of depressing, but I will still do it....hopefully. _________________ "Your mind is your kingdom; that's where you exist" |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11314 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: |
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gms979 wrote: | "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." |
Those who can't teach inspect, or go into management.
There are many top players who are amazing teachers, but there are also a large number who are terrible teachers. Musically they are very inspiring, but their teaching leaves much to be desired.
If you are just teaching to make money - do your students a favour and stop.
Teaching is not a profession to enter if you want to make money, teaching is a lifestyle choice. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it - your lack of love for what you do will come across in every lesson you teach. |
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Clarino Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 3010 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: |
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gms979 wrote: | "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." |
My head of music was a classic (and rather depressing) example of this. Failed Oboist. Considering how few oboists there are, you would think that they'd be in relatively high demand, so that's even worse!
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Those who can't teach inspect, or go into management.
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THose who can't teach, teach teaching. |
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horndevil Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 604 Location: Out in the sticks. England
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Some who can't teach, insist on trying to teach and do more harm than good! _________________ Haagston US3 Bb Trumpet
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Bri Veteran Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 367 Location: White Plains, NY
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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gms979 wrote: |
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
What do people think about this?
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Almost right...
"Those who can - teach AND do. Those who can't teach - merely do." |
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vivace Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 3203 Location: BYU! Provo, UT
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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gms979 wrote: |
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
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heh, we talked about that yesterday in my teaching practicum class. One of the Profs said he hates that quote. It is not that we can't do, it is that we chose to teach. And because of that, we spend more time learning how to teach, learning the otehr instruments, conducting, etc. that we aren't as good as a performance major.
but to quote Jack Black in School of Rock: "Those who can't do, teach. And those who can teach, teach gym" _________________ "All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing no song." - Louis Armstrong |
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trumpetgirl612 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 3865 Location: practice room 114
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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haha i love that quote..abt gym teachers lol
anyway, i just like being better at fr horn than french horn majors lol _________________ HI I'm a trumpet player, and I'm better than you.....
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Olds Ambassador Bb
Bach 43 LR Bb
Schilke c from experimental period with CSO
Blessing Artist Series Flugel
I'll ognore you anyday baby |
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