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trjeam Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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In jazz band we are playing the song "Big Mama Cass" and on the solo part there is one chord change that I'm not familiar with wich is the D7sus I asked my band teacher but she didn't know what the sus meant.
Also are there any recordings of this songs that you guys think i should listen to? |
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dwm1129 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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The sus chord means the 4th is suspended. So your D7sus would be voiced D-G-A-C... play your regular mixolydian scale over it just emphasize the 4th.
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Larry Smithee Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think Buddy Rich recorded Big Mama Cass.
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BeboppinFool Donald Reinhardt Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 7:47 am Post subject: |
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A good way to hear how this chord sounds on the piano is to play a D in the left hand, and in the right hand play C-E-G-B (the Cmaj7 arpeggio). That's a hipper-sounding voicing than the root-position voicing previously suggested.
As far as how to play over this chord: one way that I like to approach it is to play the minor 7th chord a fourth below. In this case, play Am7 . . . don't emphasize the Dorian 6th in the Am7 and you'll be playing all the "right-sounding" notes for the D7sus.
In fact, if you pretend that you're playing a II-V7 (in this case Am7 - D7) progression without ever resolving to the third of the V7 chord (the F# in this case), you'll also be getting some nice sounds over the D7sus.
Now that I've tossed in my 2¢ I'll pass it to the next guy.
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jazz_trpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:52 am Post subject: |
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The notes of a D7sus4 chord are D-G-A-C.
You can think of it as a straight D7 for the purposes of scale tones, but the chord has a more "open" sound that lends itself to alot of added options.
Why?
If you stick the A down at the bottom of the chord (A-D-G-C) you see that you have three intervals of a perfect fourth. That is, A-D, D-G, and G-C. In isolation, each of these intervals implies a key area... A-D vaguely implies D, D-G vaguely implies G, and G-C vaguely implies C.
Woody Shaw would sometimes take a chord like a D7sus4 and play licks based on fourths, like D-A-G-C-Bb-F... (down a fourth, down a step, up a fourth, down a step, repeat). Even though he'd be playing notes that weren't in the scale for D7sus4, all those perfect intervals jumping around at a rapid pace would confound the listener's ear. (Woody was alot deeper than that, but this is just an example of what you could do.)
Anyway, sorry for being so long-winded. Sus chords are fun! _________________ Jeff Helgesen
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trjeam Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I just heard a mp3 of the buddy rich band perform it. And what I will do is basically just steal licks from the sax improv. solo that i heard. I will do this until i'm more confortable with the piece then i will start to add my own stuff. _________________ Jorge Ayala Jr: Trumpeter/Producer
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deleted_user_a4a6e56 New Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 8:48 am Post subject: |
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You must play the 4th instead of the 3rd: D-G-A-C = D7sus |
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trjeam Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2002 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the suggestions and help. Today was the actual performance we did in ocean city with the jazz band where we performed big mama cass. After learning the theory part i just sort of forgot about it and went with the flow when it came to my improv. solo. It was a little weird seeing 50 year old people dancing and screaming at me "go on boy play that horn" and "encore" or "we want more". I got the chance to use the plunger mute too so it made things a little easier. I wana thank you guys for helping with the suggestions and everything.
btw. i was also the only soloist that people applauded for and danced too and screamed for.
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[ This Message was edited by: trjeam on 2002-10-04 23:29 ] |
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