WB Yamaha info

davyar · Regular Member Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 85

Wayne:

Your Horn Of Puente solo on the Big Phat Band XXL CD is wonderful. It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up! I just got the CD two days ago. If it's possible to wear out a CD, I'll do it with this one!

If you ever come to St. Louis, I'll be first in line to buy tickets.

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BradHarrison · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject:

Here's the info that's posted on WWBW.

Ben17 · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:54 am Post subject:

I think this horn looks amazing. This is a silly question, but how why go with a 'regular' leadipipe as opposed to reverse lead. I think my understanding is way off, because I thought most 'lead' horns were reverse lead. While I know this isin't the case, since I played the Destino, a standard, and loved it. But I think reverse lead has a stigma to it. I think the horn looks great, and I'd love to play one...if only there was a music store in Arizona that actually carried anything. I was just wondering if regular versus reverse lead was something like high schoolers and silver plated instruments. Input appreciated.

_dcstep · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject:

Ben17, selection of a reverse leadpipe vs. a standard leadpipe has nothing to do with stigma or image. On a given trumpet some will prefer one and some the other. Obviously, WB prefers the response of his trumpet with a "standard" leadpipe. Bobby Shew, OTOH, must prefer a reverse lead on his trumpet (the YTR-8310Z). Believe me, neither Wayne, Bobby or Mike Vax over at Getzen, is going to pick one over the other based anything other than the response.

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Ben17 · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

Well and that's kind of what I meant by stigma. I thought almost everybody preffered a reverse lead. So many manufactures make and offer it on their models, and it seems to be pushed. Look at the yamaha artist C, reverse lead. The extremely popular Z, reverse lead, and all the schilke's. I don't know what Monette uses, but I think reverse lead. I realize the decision of a player is based on response and feel, but I thought reverse lead did respond 'better'. I thought reverse lead was perhaps a bit 'quicker', and more responsive. I own a Bach strad with a standard leadpipe, and I really digged the feel of my buddies reverse lead bach, and my friends reverse lead Z, and Xeno. So I guess maybe I created that stigma in my head. That's why I like trumpetherald. Always learning, realizing, and understanding new things.

Getzen · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 1924

To some extent there is a stigma when it comes to reverse over standard leadpipe design. Although, there is a stigma on every aspect of trumpet design. The stigmas aren't market wide though. They're more player by player. Some guys refuse to play a reverse leadpipe while others live by it. Just like some are dead against heavy horns and some swear by them. As with anything, we bring out own opinions and personal taste into the equation. Good or bad, that can taint the way we perceive things. Since no two players are exactly alike, there is no set standard or design for any one style of play. If there was, every manufacturer would have one pro trumpet and be done with it. Ahhh, that would make things so much easier for me.

All that aside, you can't look at any one aspect of a trumpet and pigeon hole it based on that. A reverse leadpipe on it's own won't make a trumpet more or less responsive. Every other design spec (bore size, bell taper, bell material, leadpipe taper, tuning slide crook, etc...) has to be looked at. Just like the rest of us, the pros know what they like and want their horns to meet that. Believe me, in my experience with them, they won't accept anything other than exactly what they want.

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bandman322 · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

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I once had a very saintly trumpet that developed a stigma on the side of its bell (impressed by divine favor, I believe). My trumpet repairman put a patch on it, and it has played just fine ever since.

Ben17 · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject:

Bandman, I think Mr. Getzen (I don't want to call you Brett for some reason, probably becaue I only think thats your first name

; I think he's trying to say that a trumpet can still feel incredibly responsive, or the exact opposite based on several other factors. I'm beginning to think it may often be like the irrelevance of bore size. I believe the Destino uses a rounded but standard tuning slide to sort of meet half way with people preferences. I would love to try the new yamaha, I would even unfortunately be so favorably biased when trying it simply because I admire Wayne Bergeron so much. Now all I have to do is talk a music shop down here in to actually picking up something other than jupiter, a strad 37 and a xeno.

bandman322 · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:36 am Post subject:

Ben17,

I understood what he meant, but I wanted to make certain that he understands that many people take what is said in a literal sense. The reverse leadpipe changes the horn, but not as much as the overall setup.

My local Yamaha dealer is already on getting me a new WB. I'm lucky in that they have known how much I have not been a Yamaha pro line fan, but a great fan of Wayne's, and follower of the developement of this new horn.
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Getzen · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 1924

Ben17, my first name is Brett so you can call me that. I don't really go for the whole Mr. Getzen thing. That's my dad.

Anyway, what I meant is that judging the response of a trumpet based on whether or not it has a reverse leadpipe is foolish. If you have two identical horns except one is reverse and one is standard the reverse will be more responsive. However, if you have two completely different designs and setups you can't just say the reverse is more responsive. Other factors may affect the responsiveness one way or another. To only look at one feature and ignore everything else doesn't tell you anything.

Regardless of all that, you never really know until you play the horn yourself. You can read the descriptions that I or any other salesman writes up, but those should only be a guide or suggestion. The real test should be personal experience with the horn.

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crzytptman · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

Right on , Brett. By the way, I met Mrs. Getzen at NAMM. What a nice lady! She said Namm wasn't quite ready for your presence . . . . !
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Getzen · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 1924

Ha, I'm sure she was thinking much more than that.

Actually, I used to go to NAMM every year. Then my older sister wanted to start attending trade shows too so she took my place. This year though, Mary Rima went instead of Bridget too offer more help to our new Sales Manager Dave Surber since it was his first NAMM with us.

One of these days I'm sure I'll have to go back. Since sales aren't my forte and I really don't care for trade shows, the longer I go with having to be there the better off I am.

I still with just going to Musik Messe for now.

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dan_ostler · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:34 am Post subject:

Nice to see a note from Wayne here. I'm always interested in what people play and why.

Now the question: do you prefer the lacquer or the silver? And why??
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