Cleveland Orchestra - ON STRIKE?!?

ExtraLargeBore · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 454

http://www.cleveland.com/musicdance/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_orchestra_musicians_1.html

http://www.clevelandorchestramusicians.org/

Discuss....

I just heard that it is certain, have been reading about it for a week or so now.

ExtraLargeBore · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 454

Reading some of the comments on that cleveland.com article makes me SICK!!!!

Crazy Finn · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject:

Such comments don't surprise me. They disappoint me, but I'd be shocked if there weren't such comments. Ignorance pervades.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

- H. L. Mencken, journalist

I think if you assume that 80% of people are morons at least some (if not much) of the time - you'll be have a realistic and possibly optimistic view of the public at large.

(of course, there are plenty of times when I'd have to count myself in that majority, sadly)

Lots of people also think that teachers are overpaid. "They only work 8 months of the year," they say - even some of my friends.
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Lyle Steelman · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject:

Sorry to have to be the one to break the difficult news but as of 10pm on Sunday the 17th, The Cleveland Orchestra is officially on strike. Please show your support for my colleagues in the trumpet section and our entire orchestra as we navigate this difficult time.

Lyle Steelman
Assistant Principal Trumpet
The Cleveland Orchestra

Lyle Steelman · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: Cleveland Orchestra Core Values

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChnif1kIaU

Lyle Steelman · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject:

Also, please visit the website created by the musicians in The Cleveland Orchestra:

http://www.clevelandorchestramusicians.org/

Peter Bond · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

A strike is the last resort, especially in these tough times.
Good luck and best wishes to the members of the Cleveland Orchestra.
PB

MrClean · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject:

Hang in there, guys. I know this is not a fun thing to have to go through. We fully support you out here.

Jim
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JonB · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject:

Best of luck.
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chizznappy · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject:

Good luck with everything. You guys are the best!

ghsdirector · Veteran Member Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 220

OMG! God bless those incredible musicians. They're worth many times over whatever they're paid. So sad...

jpetrocelli · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject:

Very sad indeed. And unfortunately there are orchestras all over the country who don't get paid half what Cleveland does that are taking much larger cuts.
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roytrpt · Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject:

I understand and support the musicians, but I also understand the compromised economy that we live in. Good luck to all. We're going
to need it. Change? We are riding a very tough time. Take every gig.
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Gazza · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:15 am Post subject:

We went through the same thing here in Bergen several years ago and it was a very painful process. A strike is tough on everybody involved. Hang in there and best of luck. Musicians all around the world are supporting you!

Best wishes from Bergen, Norway!

Gazza

Hack001 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 1685

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-cleveland-orchestra-strike-txt,0,154478.story
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poochie · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:31 am Post subject:

They are taking a hit for us all. Thank you and hang tough

HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

Does anyone know what the current pay scale is for the Cleveland Orchestra?

In these situations, the position of management is generally that there is not enough revenue to support the Orchestra beyond what is being offered. That could be a problem with fund raising and ticket sales but it could also be a problem with inefficient operation (too many managerial/staff employees and/or too much revenue allocated to management, unproductive promotional costs, etc.). Is the problem a revenue shortfall, inefficient operation or both?

With enough increase in revenue, there is no problem. Where does extra revenue come from? Who raises it? How is it raised?

We all sympathize with the musicians, but sympathizing with the musicians does not solve the problems. What are the solutions?
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rockford · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:20 am Post subject:

Let's hope everyone involved focuses on what is right rather than who is right. Good luck.
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trumpetherald · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:27 am Post subject:

Best of luck to you guys. I hope it won't be long.

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