good quality, price concious flugel

kyle_ferden

hey, im looking for a nice flugelhorn, but i have no clue what to look for. every now and then i look on ebay for one under like 500 and i see a lot of student models whos brand name i do not recognize. Does anyone have a nice smooth sounding flugel that are willing to sell, or could someone give me some makers who have a good reputation for quality and a low price?

any suggestions would be immensely helpful. thanks

plp · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

I play a student model Yamaha that I got for around 400, very nice beginner flugel. My son played it for a year in band and had no problems with it. It has a brighter tone than some flugels and getting the right deep cup mouthpiece is important if you are going for 'that' sound. In it's own voicing, it is a lot of fun.

Many here have posted about the Jupiter flugel and what a good value for the money it is.

kyle_ferden · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

so if i looked into jupiter and yamaha, would i be safe with just about anything that they put out?

are blessings any good?

morm3993 · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7423533698&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

I'll shamelessly plug my own eBay auction.

DWHass · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

You asked about Blessing....I have the 4 valver in silver plated. Quality, finish is good. I couldn't find a better 'new' flugel for the money when I was looking. Blessing uses a CNC one piece valve casing with the industry standard Monel pistons. Most folks opt for the 3 valve with a trigger and the copper bell. That is the horn I would have settled for but I wanted the larger bell and the 4th valve. Sound is mellower or tubbier than a brighter Yahama and Jupiter. Getzen, Courtois, Blessing and Kanstul make a 4 valve flugel.

I went with Blessing. My son has a top of the line Blessing trumpet and it seems fine also. But my 1915 Blessing is my main trumpet. I guess I just like Blessings.
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batsomh · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:

When you do decide to get a flugel, no matter how much you want to spend on it, be SURE to get a third valve trigger on it. It is essential!

As far as brand, Jupiters are great "bang for the buck" horns, but are more than $500. Laquered with a trigger is about $820 on Dillon Music. The Blessing Scholastic model is the closest to $500 on Dillon, though it has horizontal tubes, making it more like a trumpet than a flugel.
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NiViBri · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:

Kyle,
There's a nice deal at WWBW for a Cerveny, Rotary Valve at $520.00
Victor
http://www.wwbw.com/Cerveny-AFH-501R-Rotary-Valve-Bb-Flugelhorn-i126072.music
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all4Him · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject:

kyle_ferden wrote:

Rich G · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

kyle_ferden · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:

riffi1 · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject:

I'd second the Cerveny deal mentioned above. I bought one from WWBW at that price about 8 months ago. It's a terrific horn, especially for the money. Only downside is the lack of a 3rd valve trigger but I have found it to be pretty well in tune across the board. Supplied mouthpiece was also quite good and I was able to play up to and above top C easily and in tune although flugels sound best in the mid and lower register generally speaking.

good luck

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swingintrpt · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:11 am Post subject:

I would hang out and keep an eye out for a Yammie 631 or 731 for $500-$600, and in the meantime keep socking away cash. Either of those horns will be a fantastic starting point, and will last as long as you find your sound lines up with theirs.
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Foxytrpt · Veteran Member Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 277

[quote="batsomh"]When you do decide to get a flugel, no matter how much you want to spend on it, be SURE to get a third valve trigger on it. It is essential!

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Not really essential in my opinion, never use mine and it just gets in the way. Save your money.
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thedevilisbad · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:01 am Post subject:

thedevilisbad · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:11 am Post subject:

Even those these ones don't have the trigget here are a couple nice ones I found on eBay:

Yamaha

Silver plated blessing

Getzen Eterna

and of coarse the above mentioned Jupiter.

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Rich G · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:52 am Post subject:

Regarding a trigger on the third valve slide...

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bachstrad72 · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

There are a couple of used 731's on dillonmusic.com on the used flugel page.
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mike ansberry · Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:

I play an 1972 Olds copper bell. I love its dark, smokey sound. I've been looking for a new flugel because the valves are bad on my Olds. I tried a Jupiter 846RL for a couple of weeks. It is a great horn. Extremely resonant, free blowing horn with fairly tight slots. I liked the 3rd valve trigger, but not the way they are set up. (just my opinion) I would have bought this horn, but I'm hooked on the darker sound on my Olds, so I'll be packing it of to Anderson's for a valve job at the end of July. My Olds has no 3rd slide trigger, and I've gotten used to that over the years. It's easy to push the pitch on a flugel. But when I get it back I'm gonna install a reversed 3rd slide trigger so it will go down when I push out on the mechanism. (instead of pulling in)

Play a Jupiter if you get the chance. They are a really nice horn.
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