Yamaha Schilke clones...

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[Rich G]

I owned a Schilke MII in the 1970's, it was nowhere as good in playability as my Schilke B6. I never had any valve problems with the MII, but It played like a student horn compared to the B6.

As The Schilke Loyalist points out:

"The M-series trumpets had almost nothing in common with the manufacturing quality and quality control found in Schilke's "custom" horns, as they were not manufactured of the same parts or with the same processes. According to a former employee, they were often assembled in an hour, whereas Schilke used to brag that the "real horns" required 80 hours of manufacturing time".

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[BigMark65]

According to my old Yamaha catalog, the 739T only came with a trigger and in silver. The lacquer counterpart ytr-639 only with a first valve saddle. Both with the copper bell.
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[DrPhil]

Shilkie's rule, they totaly own, thats all i have to say...
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[bebop]

I own a Yamaha 6320 which is a copy of the Schilke B5 but I think the Yamaha has a yellow brass bell. So you get a little more sound and projection out of the Yamaha. The 6000 series changed the valve cluster as compared to the early 700 series. The newer valve cluster is a great improvement over the 700 series.

I would still say that I like the Schilke's better than their Yamaha clones (which are also well made). That said , you can get a great deal on one of the 6000 series if you look around. I do like the 6320 Lacquer better than the 6310Z or the 8310Z.

6335 -standard weight
6345-L bore standard weight
6320- ML bore Schilke B5 copy
6340-L bore Schilke B3 copy
6335H-ML heavy weight
6545H-L bore heavy weight

These are all Bb's

Jim

[supportlivejazz]

I started a thread about the Yamaha 732 I was thinking of buying and then bought. It is an assembled in US horn with the "A" after the serial number. B6 clone. I do really like it... plan to keep it until I actually can get a B6. No issues with the valves. They were barely broken in as this was a horn that was bought by an advanced high school player who stopped playing when he went to college and stored but maintained the horn. I use Hetman light oil and the valves are fine.

I think that any Yamaha model with the "T" at the end of the model number has a trigger. That's what the "T" stood for.
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[petere]

I was not aware of how similar the Yamahas were to the Schilkes. But I played a B1 for a while last year and then this year purchased a Yamaha 6310Z. I could really feel how close the Yamahas were based on the Schike then!

But this raised a new question. Is the Yamaha 6335 family of trumpets clones of another trumpet? These don't seem especially Schilke-like. Are they based on a Strad? Thanks.

[patdublc]

I bought a 6345HG at an ITG Conference back around 1990. A Yamaha rep told me at that time that this horn was modeled after the Mount Vernon Bachs. FWIW, I think mine plays very much like a friends large bore Mount Vernon.

I had a 6340ST for a while. I thought is was modeled after the X3, but someone else said the B3. I never really like the 6340ST very much. I like the X3 much better.

I liked the 6310Z quite well, but really fell for the 8310Z.
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[Rich G]

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I played on my instructor's 6310Z for a while last week. It didn't play like the B6 at the Schilke factory did, at least to me. I knew it was Schilke based but the real deal was a better fit to me.
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I recently got a 738, and once I got Mike Bulow to make a tuning slide for it* can favorably compare it to the X3 I once had. It plays freely, the valves are pretty good (I'll have Flip Oakes to a precision alignment when he comes back off tour), and it sounds nice. Yes, it's not a Schilke, but it's a very good copy for 1/3 the price.

*Bronze single radius, no brace. Opens up the blow and darkens the sound justenough.
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[Karen]

In the mid-1970s, I know that Mr. Schilke and my trumpet teacher, Eddie Shiner, designed the YTR-639 together for Yamaha. I got one of the first ones to be made and have had it ever since. I still play it, and although I have played many other trumpets over the years, it is still my favorite. I am getting it overhauled soon.
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[roccotrumpetsiffredi]

This is a side question, but if you are lucky enough to be sponsored by Schilke, is it an all you can eat arrangement?

But don't some shops like Monette still charge even their most prominent artists?

I also think Schilke rules, esp the valves.

[Louise Finch]

Hi

Regarding this thread, and the following, I believe that the trumpet which I played last Friday may have been a Yamaha YTR-634:

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98877&highlight=yamaha+634

Basically I play in my husband's Jazz band with a trumpeter who is also my brass band colleague. He usually plays a Bach 37, but has brought a second trumpet on a few occasions.

I only just got round to asking him about it on Friday, and he let me have a go on it. He says that it is a pretty old Yamaha.

The light is poor in the band room and I couldn't read the model number easily with a quick glance (and didn't want to appear to be checking it over), but I presume that it was a YTR-634. It had a reversed lead pipe, no lead pipe braces and a red/gold brass bell, and looked like photos I have seen on google of the YTR-634, hence my search and finding these threads.

I thought that it was a really good trumpet in this setting. The player had a go on my Yamaha YTR-8335 Xeno II, and we agreed that these two trumpets were nothing alike, and that his trumpet had a mellower sound. My understanding is that his trumpet is based on a Schilke B5.

Whatever, I thought that it had a nice open blow, flexible slotting and a big warm sound.

As much as I like my Xeno II, especially in orchestral settings, I have never felt that it has quite the sound I am looking for for the Jazz band. In my opinion, it has quite a bright focused clean sound, which I really like in orchestral and concert band settings, but it is not the big fat sound which I'd like for the Jazz band, and which my Bach 37 comes nearer to. Additionally although I have opened the blow (to just how I like it) and loosened the slots already via sleeves, I still feel that it is a bit slotty.

Although I only had a brief go on my colleague's trumpet, so only had an initial impression, listening to me playing it from behind the bell, and hearing my colleague play it and his Bach 37, it had the kind of sound which I am looking for. Big and warm.

It also had a nice open blow and flexible slotting. I've previously tried the reversed leadpipe model version of the Xeno I and didn't like it as much as the standard leadpipe model, but haven't played the reversed leadpipe model of the Xeno II. This trumpet didn't play like the reversed leadpipe Xeno I or a Yamaha trumpet at all, probably because if I understand properly, there was an association with Schilke at the time, and it is along the lines of a Schilke B5. I've never played a Schilke trumpet, so have no idea.

Anyway, from initial impressions, it was the kind of trumpet I'd like to play in a Jazz band setting.

All the best

Lou
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[p76]

Hi Lou,

Yes, that was my post, still own the 634 and 732.

There is a lot of stuff written about the Yamaha pro trumpets of the 70s and Schilke's involvement with them, and the true story is becoming as murky as the stories around the birth of the Martin Committee.

Ren was hired by Yamaha to design their pro horns, so naturally he brought his ideas to the products - hence the reverse tuning slides, step bores etc.

But they are not "copies" or "clones". They play very similarly to the Schilkes because Ren designed them, but he took the chance to do things a little differently to how he did his own horns. So the leadpipes are slightly different, as are the bells.

Having owned two of the Yams, and briefly played a variety of Schilkes over the years, I would describe the horns as belonging to the same extended "family" of instruments, rather that being "copies" or "clones". If you've played a Schilke B series and step on to a Yamaha, or vice versa, you'll feel comfortable with the change.

The Yam horns have been slowly increasing in price in the last few years, as more people get in on the "secret". Good horns.

Cheers,
Roger
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[Pete]

Roger is correct. For example,the 6310B, predessor of the 6310Z/8310Z was modeled after Bob McCoy's Martin Committee. Bob was a great player working in NY, Tonight Show,etc. Mr. Schilke also had a hand in the Martin Committees since he was part of the committee.

Pete

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