Cup Mute

Chadly · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:28 pm Post subject:

Hey Guys,

I need some recommendations on the best cup mute for playing old Ellington transcriptions. I have a stonlined and I just can't deal with the ridiculous amount of resistance it has. What do you guys recommend.

Thanks,
Chad

jhatpro · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:48 pm Post subject:

Might try a Denis Wick Precision Mute, which can be adjusted for mike, solo, and section work. Or try the Tom Crown copper. Great sound, relatively little interference with intonation.

Best,

Jim

trombapaul2 · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:37 pm Post subject:

Jim's right! Go with the Wick adjustable or the Tom Crown copper. The stone-lined
does have a great, unique sound, and probably the most historically correct sound
for Ellington transcriptions, but it is a fight! Well worth it though if you can get it under
control.

Paul
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jhaysom · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:21 am Post subject:

I've been using a Shastock adjustable cup mute for decades now. It also converts to a straight mute and can even be used as a wah-wah mute. I just bought one for my valve trombone too. I don't think you can buy them new anymore but a new looking one was recently posted on ebay. It may still be there.
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PH · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:20 am Post subject:

The Shastock was the mute of choice for players of that era (and also for those great cup-muted solos by the boppers like Fats, Diz, & early Miles). The stone-lined is a close second. Many of the others that have been mentioned are more "user-friendly" but do not have the authentic sound.

Stick with your Stone-lined unless you can find a Shastock or afford a Charlie Davis.

SHS_Trumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:12 pm Post subject:

I have a tom crown copper one that I love.
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Trptbenge · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:55 pm Post subject:

Dennis Wick - an incredible mute

capriman · Regular Member Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 41

Tom Crown makes a smaller cup mute for eflat cornet that fits My pocket trumpet perfectly.
I love the dark sound of the stone-lined.
I once saw Doc warming up on a stone-lined.
Jack

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Chadly · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:25 pm Post subject:

Pat,

In the last part of your post you said that I should stick with my stonelined unless I can afford a Charles Davis. I'm sure I can afford one and in the latest Brasswind catalog they have them in copper for $60 and alluminum for $54. Are they the way to go?? I'm looking for that authentic sound, but I have to play a lead piece with it and I can't play with the backpressure of the stonelined. How do they play compared to the Tom Crown? I played one of those and it was much easier to play than the stonelined.

Thanks,
Chad

PH · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 6:00 pm Post subject:

For jazz you do not want a metal cup mute. The sound isn't right. If you get the Davis get the fiber one. It is like the Stone-lined except that the intonation and the resistance is better.

I got mine from ProWinds.

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Chadly · Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 6:10 pm Post subject:

Thanks Pat,

I checked Pro Winds and the Davis mute isn't on there website. Is that just a specialty item from them or.....

Chad

Chadly · Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:51 am Post subject:

I called pro winds and they don't have a Charles Davis fibre cup mute in stock. Neither does dillon music. Do you know where I can pick one up? The alluminum one looks like it has something other than alluminum in the construction of the cup, it's black.

Thanks,
Chad

PH · Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2002 2:41 pm Post subject:

I honestly don't know. Mine was just in their regular stock @ Prowinds & contains no metal. I'll try to get over there this week and look at what they have in stock.

Chadly · Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:33 pm Post subject:

Thanks Pat, I called them and they only had the alluminum one. Do you know if that would suffice?

Thanks,
Chad

PH · Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:09 pm Post subject:

All of Charly's mutes are great. I know it will be good. It might not be as authentic a sound as the fiber ones, but I doubt that you'll be disappointed.