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dr_trumpet
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| James Becker wrote: |
Some of the most respected trombone makers in the industry, namely King, Getzen, Conn, Edwards and Shires have two piece bells and are very well recieved by top players.
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Maybe that's why Monette bells are two pieces? The larger the bell, the more difficult to create a one piece bell? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Thanks for the great information.
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qcm
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Jim,
Thanks for the great post and the link!
-Dave
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trumpetchops
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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However when it comes to Bb and C trumpets, Bach is the "gold standard" that everyone else in the industry must compete. You'll have a harder time finding a trumpet with a two piece bell that will sound anything like a one piece "hand hammered" bell of a Bach. I believe this is why you find one piece bells on Getzen and Edwards top model trumpets, and why Yamaha went to great lengths to replicate the bell making methods of the Chicago Symphony Bach C trumpets.
There certainly is nothing wrong with two piece bell trumpets. So long as the maker delivers an instrument that helps the player achieve his or her musical goals, they have done their job.
For more information on bell flairs spun from a disc vs. single seam "hand hammered" bells, go to this link from our website: http://www.osmun.com/prod/Schmid/Schmidbell.htm
I hope this is helpful.
Jim Becker
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You make it sound like he Bach sound is the sound to strive for.
I would be surprised if given the opportunity to listen to the same trumpet with the two different bells that you could tell the difference.
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James Becker
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| trumpetchops wrote: | | James Becker wrote: |
However when it comes to Bb and C trumpets, Bach is the "gold standard" that everyone else in the industry must compete. You'll have a harder time finding a trumpet with a two piece bell that will sound anything like a one piece "hand hammered" bell of a Bach. I believe this is why you find one piece bells on Getzen and Edwards top model trumpets, and why Yamaha went to great lengths to replicate the bell making methods of the Chicago Symphony Bach C trumpets.
There certainly is nothing wrong with two piece bell trumpets. So long as the maker delivers an instrument that helps the player achieve his or her musical goals, they have done their job.
For more information on bell flairs spun from a disc vs. single seam "hand hammered" bells, go to this link from our website: http://www.osmun.com/prod/Schmid/Schmidbell.htm
I hope this is helpful.
Jim Becker
Brass Repair Specialist
Osmun Music Inc.
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You make it sound like he Bach sound is the sound to strive for.
I would be surprised if given the opportunity to listen to the same trumpet with the two different bells that you could tell the difference. |
I do not make this stuff up. Bach trumpets dominate the field, and any manufacturer that wants to take away from Bach's market share needs to offer their own "Bach style" trumpet. If not, they must find their own niche outside of that market.
Bach trumpets have a destinctive sound quality that has been established for decades. There are a good number of makers that have come close.
That is not to say it is the only sound we should go for. There are plenty of other makers that do not make trumpets in this style and have created new and different sound concepts for artists to draw from.
As far as comparing bells on the same valve set, that has already been done. And I am sure ther are plenty of other trumept players besides myself that could tell the difference.
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michael manthey
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Jim,
YEARS AGO ... I saw you in MN, you worked @ St James Instrument repair. You brought to St Cloud MN a great trumpet you had put together. It was a sliver plated Bach 37, with a monette lead pipe. (this was back in the early / mid 80's when Dave made lead pipes to be installed on other horns.) That was one amazing trumpet! What ever happened to that axe. Back then you wouldn't sell it.
Thanks.
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michael manthey
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Jim,
YEARS AGO ... I saw you in MN, you worked @ St James Instrument repair. You brought to St Cloud MN a great trumpet you had put together. It was a sliver plated Bach 37, with a monette lead pipe. (this was back in the early / mid 80's when Dave made lead pipes to be installed on other horns.) That was one amazing trumpet! What ever happened to that axe. Back then you wouldn't sell it.
Thanks.
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James Becker
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| michael manthey wrote: | Jim,
YEARS AGO ... I saw you in MN, you worked @ St James Instrument repair. You brought to St Cloud MN a great trumpet you had put together. It was a sliver plated Bach 37, with a monette lead pipe. (this was back in the early / mid 80's when Dave made lead pipes to be installed on other horns.) That was one amazing trumpet! What ever happened to that axe. Back then you wouldn't sell it.
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Hello Michael, Thanks for the memories! That was over 25 years ago!
Jim Thomas (the shop owner) still has a couple of mouthpipes left over after parting out that modular Bb trumpet we built.
If you remember, in addition to a Bach 37, it had a Bach 43 and a King Silver Flair bell.
For mouthpipes we mounted fittings for Bach 25, 43, King Silver Flair and the Monette "B" pipe you mentioned.
I must say my favorite at the time was the King Silver Flair mouthpipe with the King Silver Flair two piece bell. To this day I still love the pre-UMI King Silver Flairs. As a matter of fact Bruce Hall, Principal trumpet of the Boston Esplinade Pops, plays on a King Silver Flair from that era. It's really too bad UMI messed with the design and made the King Silver Flair a "step up" model after all those years as the flagship of the King line up.
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michael manthey
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Jim,
I have told many people ove the years about that horn. Yes, I do recall there were many options, but my personal favorite that you brought to that club in St Cloud was the 37 bell & the monette B pipe I guess you call it.
As a matter of fact, not a year, maybe two, later I called Dave to try to get that same pipe for a Bach I had at the time. I was 'told'  he didn't do that anymore, and that if I wanted a lead pipe from him I was going to have to buy one of his trumpets. Oh well ... I'm glad I had a chance to play that horn you guys put together.
All the best to you ... I enjoy reading your posts.
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Chadly
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I believe Phil Smith uses a Getzen Eterna cornet, two peiee bell, one piece, just try 'em out and see how they play. Phil likes the Eterna even though it has a two piece bell, mustn't matter too much.
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