mouthpieces - trumpet vs cornet vs flugelhorn

Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Someone here mentioned flugelhorn mouthpieces in a thread about cornet mouthpieces, but I have never held or played a flugelhorn.
And in another Web site someone said he is using a flugelhorn mouthpiece on a cornet.

What is the difference in mouthpieces for trumpet, cornet, and flugelhorn?
(length, shank diameter, taper, etc)
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Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Can someone please define the following terms for me?
And are there any other types of taper to add to the list?

Large Morse taper = ? per inch
Small Morse taper = ? per inch
Remington taper = ? per inch
French taper = ? per inch?

*the unexplained reference to large Morse taper versus small Morse taper can be found at the bottom of the page at
http://www.kanstul.net/mpcJN/Model.shtml
and at
http://www.kanstul.net/pages/faq.html
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Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Dale Proctor · Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:34 am Post subject:

A flugelhorn mouthpiece shank size is somewhere between a trumpet and cornet shank. There are different "standard" shank sizes/tapers, as you have discovered. The cup on a proper flugel piece is extremely deep and funnel-shaped. The backbore is usually so different form a cornet piece that one should not be used on a cornet, even if the shank fits (such as the L.A. Olds cornets). The intonation will generally be out of whack. I played a Bach flugel piece (5BFL) on an Olds Ambassador cornet for a while - beautiful sound, but the intonation was terrible.
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DCB1 · Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:33 am Post subject:

What about a trumpet length flugel piece?

Had to throw that in.
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lmf · Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject:

What is a flugel horn anyway?

Just teasing!

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Asian Man · Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject:

I kind of wish the Flugel was called a Soprano Tuba, as in being in the Tuba family. Bugles...
It would really look like one if someone just turned the bell upright, bent the leadpipe, and kept the valves vertical. Assuming if you have vertical valves, it would look very similar to a Tuba. Check out Euphonium07's videos on Youtube. He does wonderful arrangments of Nintendo songs and has a Flugelhorn shaped like this.
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Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Still no one who can tell me the following?
It must be common knowledge since Tom Turner said that it has been discussed *many* times here in Trumpet Herald.

Large Morse taper = ? per inch
Small Morse taper = ? per inch
Remington taper = ? per inch
French taper = ? per inch?
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Mark Curry · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1095

Morse tapers are actually catalogued on the web in free machinery sensitive web-sites.

Google Morse taper #1.

That'll get you a "standard" trumpet shank taper .04988" (I believe) taper/inch. Round it off... but the beginning and ending taper diameters are *off.*

But there's more!

Morse taper #2

Slightly different than #1

And on and on.

"Rate of taper" is the big thing here and music manufacturers will generally go with the flow. I.e., why buy My mpc when it'll only fit in My horn?

Very few specs are standardized in the music industry except for mpc shank taper. Just about everyone uses the 50 thou/inch taper for shanks. What varies is the beginning diameter (small end) of the taper. What most of us use is 50 thou/inch for just about everything.

The beginning diameter of the taper also "sets the gap" in most trumpets and cornets. But That's another post...

There have been different tapers used in the past, especially in the early 1900's.

French Flugel taper is basically a *straight* taper, starting at about .389"-.390" for 3/4" inch or so and a gentle taper at the end of the insertion "locks it in" to prevent rocking or wobbling in the receiver.

Ever notice how Schilke and Yamaha finger buttons seem to be interchangeable? Technically they shouldn't. The Schilkes are 8-36 TPI and the Yammies 4mm/.7mm TPI. but they seem to fit, even though the pitch of the threads is *off* .001".

However- the trepanned undersurface of the buttons are WAY different! big diff in alignment. Problems- do not Pass Go or Collect $200.

There's usually a reason Manufactures make a few proprietary parts.

I ponder it every day.

HTH

MC
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Conn-oisseur · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 180

Just in case somebody somewhere might know:

Large Morse taper = ? per inch
Small Morse taper = ? per inch
Remington taper = ? per inch

*the unexplained reference to large Morse taper versus small Morse taper can be found at the bottom of the page at
http://www.kanstul.net/mpcJN/Model.shtml
and at
http://www.kanstul.net/pages/faq.html
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regards, Benny the Conn-oisseur

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
John 14:6