Buescher models

[VetPsychWars]

[beaukoo]

[mike ansberry]

Buescher sold out to Selmer somewhere along the way. I think it was in the early 60's. They put out a few Bundy tenor saxes about then that were really Buescher horns. A pretty nice cheap tenor.

I have a Buescher Model 15 cornet pitched in C, Bb, and A. A nice playing cornet. It was built in 1915 according to Horn-u-copia. What a great resource that place is!
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[joe7red]

that has been over hauled going for almost nothing on ebay right now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160438416463&_trksid=p2759.l1259

[Capt.Kirk]

I believe not long after 1963 when Selmer bought them the Aristocrat went from low level pro to student.

The easiest way I think to tell them apart is their valve assemblies. Once they went totaly student they went to the same valve assembly that Bundy uses the hour glass shape to the valve assemblies went by-by! So the surest bet is to look for models made 1963 and earlier and to look for the hour glass shaped flair at the top and bottom of the valve bores with the internally threaded caps.

As far as I know the 400 and Super Aristocrats where always pro models but they where radicly changed some time after 1963 I believe when exactly after 1963 is a point of contention?
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[joe7red]

The Horn-U-Copia serial number list includes a reference to the Selmer purchase of Buescher in 1963/serial number 381,000.

In 1964 Buescher was still turning out "low level pro" Aristocrat cornets; I have one with serial number 394,293. The valve case is flared [or hourglass shaped] with internally threaded valves and red nylon [I think] valve guides. Its a beautiful horn that plays great. Unfortunately, now that I've had a Holton Super Collegiate cornet stripped down to raw brass the Aristocrat probably won't get out of its case much and will likely end up listed on the marketplace...

[superviking805]

From the San Diego Craigslist I will be in the area next week if someone wants me to take a look:

Vintage Buescher True Tone Trumpet, Silver; B Flat horn, all silver with fancy trim, small bell, triple braced, all slides work, valve action is good, it is in fine condition. There is an engraving on the bell which reads "The Buescher, Elkhardt IN". Also engraved on the value carriage is "True Tone Trademark Protected". The trumpet is in a Buescher hard case which I believe is the original case. Comes with two mouthpieces, a marching band music holder, a container of new slide grease. Pricing on Ebay is between $450 and $499. Will sell for half, $230 obo, for a quick sale. This is a great trumpet for a student or advanced player. Ask for Don 760 782 1932. Email photo available. Must see to appreciate. Can deliver.

[fozzybear99]

Can someone tell me more about this trumpet? i inherited it recently and am trying to learn more about it. it is a model # 47267 Buscher Series 15 Coronet.. 2 mouthpieces, music stand, and mute.. decent shape. any information helps?? thank you!

[Capt.Kirk]

Anything made before 1963 I think it is when they sold out to Selmer is going to be Pro..........How long after 1963 it took for Selmer to water things down and do the marketing tiers of Student,Intermediate,Pro is a subject for debate. The Aristocrat was a Pro horn until Selmer got hold of it. As best as I can tell the easiest way to spot the transition point on that model is to look at the valve assembly. When they go from the hour glass/wasp waist etc... design to that Bundy Like straight cylinder with the external threaded caps you know you are into student level Selmer Butchered territory!

So if it has the classic Buescher Valve assembly either the odd shape or the classic Triangle stamp on the valve assembly chances are great you have a pro trumpet! If it is missing either of those then I would pass. I have seen some post sale Selmer instruments that where still very much pro grade horns in the Aristocrat line and some that where not. I think it is a matter of them using up all the warehoused parts not some definite serial number range or sale date!Once they used up the good stuff though you can see a definate cheapening of the models.
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[joe7red]

As I said, In 1964 Buescher was still turning out "low level pro" Aristocrat cornets; I have one with serial number 394,293. The valve case is flared [or hourglass shaped] with internally threaded valves and red nylon [I think] valve guides.
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1956 Holton Revelation 48
1967 Olds Super
1977 Olds Custom Clark Terry Model
1955 Holton Super Collegiate cornet
1956 Martin Committee Deluxe cornet

[VetPsychWars]

[VetPsychWars]

[blaser]

ive got a killer on sale right now!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260634722328&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

[VetPsychWars]

[Axelip]

Well, I recently impulse-bid on an old Buescher Model 234 & won; just got it in. It's in the 279xxx serial range; lacquered; just engraved "The Buescher" on the bell, though the Aristocrat series had been introduced by that serial # and the bell engraving is the 30's "Art Deco" style like on the Aristocrat saxophones of the period.

It has a small wrap, with the main tuning slide (which appears to be designed to change it to A or maybe C) wrapped slant-wise rather than the normal straight curve down. 4&1/4" bell. Can't tell what the bore size is, though it doesn't look particularly small. Though the lacquer is spotty, it's actually in great shape. Only real sign of any damage is on the second valve loop, which got it's pull knob knocked off at some point. Nothing's stuck, and the valves actually look like new (though somebody inserted them in exactly backwards order)!!

It came in a disgusting horrible case (an old King case, I think) with a gold-plated no-name mouthpiece that looks like a lot of the earlier tulip-shaped Buescher mouthpieces I've seen.

Any new info on these since KAJR's posts upstream in this thread? All I can tell is that it's supposed to be an Aristocrat-type custom built, I haven't found any info on the model 234 at Horn-u-Copia or anywhere. KAJR, does yours look like this? Here's a link to the auction, for a look-see:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=360317363205&si=6Xg%252FSlZ7DwI9jX%252FVd28cYhBgfJI%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

Haven't played it yet -- it's not stuck, but stiff, and needs a cleaning. Plus I'm hesitant to put my mouth near anything I found in that case, which I put in a garbage bag outside the front door!!

Can anybody tell me how you go about measuring bore size?

[VetPsychWars]

The bore is usually defined as the inside of the second valve slide. It doesn't really matter, though.

It's about .458ish, more or less.

The only info I have is for the very similar Model 235.

That's a quick-change to A, by the way.



Tom
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1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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[Capt.Kirk]

If anyone finds a 1963 or earlier Buescher Super Aristocrat in good shape for a good price I highly recommend them! A lot of people online have called them " A poor Mans Martin Large Bore" I would have to disagree with that but that is not entirely a bad a thing. Mine has a darker sound then a Bach 37 and is not as compact sounding but has a solid core. The bell looks like a Bach bell externally in the shape of the flair. I would have to say that if you took a Bach 37 and darkened the tone a bit that this gives you a good idea how they sound. Very easy to play. It blows a little free'er then say an Olds Ambassador but is still very secure. Very flexible with MP change. If I drop a Bach 1 or 1.5 in it gets darker fast and very warm......If I put a 3C in it brightens up quite a bit.

The valves are by far the smoothest, fastest valves I have played! Prior to this it would have been a toss up for me between Olds valves and Getzens but the Beuscher are nice!

Mine is like new in almost every way except the leadpipe. I think these would make a great horn for anyone but especially for a young man or young laddie in H.S.!!! The bell in Nickel is low maintence and always shiny! They will hold their own against anything Bach makes today or Kanstul. If you run across a 400 in good shape at a good price then again get it! Buescher's Pro models are grossly under rated by most. Ebay is not the best place to look though as the price is climbing all the time on them now as people find out. I got mine from a pawn shop. They wanted something like $430 for it I offered them $200 in cash and they went for it. I even got a like new Buescher 15 MP with it that my oldest boy is using now in band. In fact his Teacher asked him what type of MP he was using because it has an odd shape to it. So when he told him it was a Buescher 15 the teacher had to check it out as he had never seen one before. I think the Buescher MP's are great too but it is hard to find them in good shape often the insides are terribly pitted and the rims are nicked up....The rim can be fixed easily but the internal pits would require radical machining that would total change the way they play.

The only down side to having a kid that plays trumpet is that he seems to like the same MP's I like so he is always raiding my MP's......I guess I should be glad he can not wear my shoes....LOL
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[Axelip]

[Axelip]

Well, I couldn't help myself -- I went ahead and cleaned up the 234 and gave it a whirl. Valves are tight and slick, but I guess the corks are worn -- seems they're a little out of adjustment, but it promises to be a fun horn once it's set up right. I felt like I was playing a laser pointer. Not that it was super-paint-peeling bright, but something about the peashooter wrap, extra length and tiny bell made it seem very focused. Pointing it straight at somebody would be very rude, like staring!!

[coolsoupy]

I have an Aristocrat Cornet that I picked up for less than 100.00 and it plays as well as any "intermediate horn that I have seen. plus no dings and about 98% lacquer. My horn sn656096 from '65 or'66?
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