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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject: Pierre Thibaud IN DA HOUSE HOUSE, BABY!!!!! Reply with quote

This was a jaw-droppiong performance:


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The entire front row [recorder, oboe, violin and trumpet] was so dadgum testosterone-driven that they make modren players look like eunuchs by comparison.

Those dudes were killing it.

Player/Horn says Thibaud was probably on a Selmer or a Scherzer.

Whew.

I gotta learn moar about Karl Richter's recordings now.

Wow.

Just wow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's definitely a Selmer. Anywho, Karl Richter's Brandenburg recordings are fantastic!
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS: Thibaud looks like he's playing on a Trombone mouthpiece with a French Horn embouchure...

Dude is killing it!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the sense that this old French school of soloist like Andre,Thibaud and the old Selmer piccolo sound will never be overcome , the modern soloist and horns are great but something missing..

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
something missing...

The testosterone.

Modern men are all castrated - psychologically, chemically, and increasingly physically [via actual surgical butchery].

Also, don't overlook the cancerous influence which Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder [PAPD] has had on any bureaucracy, and especially on the dystopian nightmare which is the bureaucracy of the modern symphonic orchestra.

"Musicians" work their way up the ladder now by playing with perfect intonation, perfect cadence, perfect execution, and perfectly induced boredom in anyone who is forced to listen to them.

And of course the ambient PAPD-induced cultural somnabulance affects the instrument manufacturers as well - every instrument now plays perfectly in tune and sounds precisely like every other instrument - the oboes sound like clarinets, the clarinets sound like saxophones, the saxophones sound like french horns, the french horns sound like vacuum cleaners, etc etc etc...

Whereas anyone who is a risk taker - a Maynard Ferguson or a Roland Berger or a Glenn Gould or a Karl Richter & a Pierre Thibaud - would never get the gig anymore, because they might hit a note slightly out of tune, or out of cadence, or off-kilter, and all the little Passive Aggressive parasites in the Classical Music Industrial Complex would quickly stab them in the back and jump on their carcasses and devour their flesh right down to the bone.

[And nothing castrates a man psychologically quite like having the PAPD parasites subsume him right down to the bone...]

Furthermore, the descent into PAPD-induced mediocrity has accelerated in the last decade, to the point that e.g. the Vienna & London Philharmonics are now objectively unlistenable, and the Berlin Philharmonic sounds like a second-rate youth orchestra.

tl;dr = If you want to hear exotic tone colors in music, then play vintage musical instruments and listen to vintage musical recordings.

Beyond that, lose all the soy in your diet, and the manboobs on your chest, fast relentlessly, lift religiously, swallow the Red Pill, and start exhibiting risk taking in your own playing.

You'll never get the gig, but all the chicks will be fighting each other for the honor of being one of your plates.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a kid starting out in school, my uncle, who had an extensive professional background in both classical and jazz trumpet playing, bought me a Pierre Thibaud album (remember those?). This was my introduction to classical trumpet playing. I will never forget 50+ years later how he referred to Thibaud, as a classical "lead player".
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarh331_Dad wrote:
giakara wrote:
something missing...

The testosterone.

Modern men are all castrated - psychologically, chemically, and increasingly physically [via actual surgical butchery].

Also, don't overlook the cancerous influence which Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder [PAPD] has had on any bureaucracy, and especially on the dystopian nightmare which is the bureaucracy of the modern symphonic orchestra.

"Musicians" work their way up the ladder now by playing with perfect intonation, perfect cadence, perfect execution, and perfectly induced boredom in anyone who is forced to listen to them.

And of course the ambient PAPD-induced cultural somnabulance affects the instrument manufacturers as well - every instrument now plays perfectly in tune and sounds precisely like every other instrument - the oboes sound like clarinets, the clarinets sound like saxophones, the saxophones sound like french horns, the french horns sound like vacuum cleaners, etc etc etc...

Whereas anyone who is a risk taker - a Maynard Ferguson or a Roland Berger or a Glenn Gould or a Karl Richter & a Pierre Thibaud - would never get the gig anymore, because they might hit a note slightly out of tune, or out of cadence, or off-kilter, and all the little Passive Aggressive parasites in the Classical Music Industrial Complex would quickly stab them in the back and jump on their carcasses and devour their flesh right down to the bone.

[And nothing castrates a man psychologically quite like having the PAPD parasites subsume him right down to the bone...]

Furthermore, the descent into PAPD-induced mediocrity has accelerated in the last decade, to the point that e.g. the Vienna & London Philharmonics are now objectively unlistenable, and the Berlin Philharmonic sounds like a second-rate youth orchestra.

tl;dr = If you want to hear exotic tone colors in music, then play vintage musical instruments and listen to vintage musical recordings.

Beyond that, lose all the soy in your diet, and the manboobs on your chest, fast relentlessly, lift religiously, swallow the Red Pill, and start exhibiting risk taking in your own playing.

You'll never get the gig, but all the chicks will be fighting each other for the honor of being one of your plates.


I realy enjoy your analysis !!!

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spot on!
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If after listening to music-making like this you can come out with that kind of soul-shrivelled claptrap ... well, you're doing it wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarh331_Dad wrote:
giakara wrote:
something missing...

The testosterone.

Modern men are all castrated - psychologically, chemically, and increasingly physically [via actual surgical butchery].

Also, don't overlook the cancerous influence which Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder [PAPD] has had on any bureaucracy, and especially on the dystopian nightmare which is the bureaucracy of the modern symphonic orchestra.

"Musicians" work their way up the ladder now by playing with perfect intonation, perfect cadence, perfect execution, and perfectly induced boredom in anyone who is forced to listen to them.

And of course the ambient PAPD-induced cultural somnabulance affects the instrument manufacturers as well - every instrument now plays perfectly in tune and sounds precisely like every other instrument - the oboes sound like clarinets, the clarinets sound like saxophones, the saxophones sound like french horns, the french horns sound like vacuum cleaners, etc etc etc...

Whereas anyone who is a risk taker - a Maynard Ferguson or a Roland Berger or a Glenn Gould or a Karl Richter & a Pierre Thibaud - would never get the gig anymore, because they might hit a note slightly out of tune, or out of cadence, or off-kilter, and all the little Passive Aggressive parasites in the Classical Music Industrial Complex would quickly stab them in the back and jump on their carcasses and devour their flesh right down to the bone.

[And nothing castrates a man psychologically quite like having the PAPD parasites subsume him right down to the bone...]

Furthermore, the descent into PAPD-induced mediocrity has accelerated in the last decade, to the point that e.g. the Vienna & London Philharmonics are now objectively unlistenable, and the Berlin Philharmonic sounds like a second-rate youth orchestra.

tl;dr = If you want to hear exotic tone colors in music, then play vintage musical instruments and listen to vintage musical recordings.

Beyond that, lose all the soy in your diet, and the manboobs on your chest, fast relentlessly, lift religiously, swallow the Red Pill, and start exhibiting risk taking in your own playing.

You'll never get the gig, but all the chicks will be fighting each other for the honor of being one of your plates.


I will agree with one thing here: Modern orchestras have a ton of politics.

But the rest of this? Wow. Just wow. Incredibly uninformed and many opinions stated here are super misguided to just plain off base. I am astounded at the absolute novice level at which you seem to be listening to music in order to call the Berlin Philharmonic a "Second rate youth orchestra". I won't even touch the last two paragraphs...
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
Tarh331_Dad wrote:
giakara wrote:
something missing...

The testosterone.

Modern men are all castrated - psychologically, chemically, and increasingly physically [via actual surgical butchery].

Also, don't overlook the cancerous influence which Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder [PAPD] has had on any bureaucracy, and especially on the dystopian nightmare which is the bureaucracy of the modern symphonic orchestra.

"Musicians" work their way up the ladder now by playing with perfect intonation, perfect cadence, perfect execution, and perfectly induced boredom in anyone who is forced to listen to them.

And of course the ambient PAPD-induced cultural somnabulance affects the instrument manufacturers as well - every instrument now plays perfectly in tune and sounds precisely like every other instrument - the oboes sound like clarinets, the clarinets sound like saxophones, the saxophones sound like french horns, the french horns sound like vacuum cleaners, etc etc etc...

Whereas anyone who is a risk taker - a Maynard Ferguson or a Roland Berger or a Glenn Gould or a Karl Richter & a Pierre Thibaud - would never get the gig anymore, because they might hit a note slightly out of tune, or out of cadence, or off-kilter, and all the little Passive Aggressive parasites in the Classical Music Industrial Complex would quickly stab them in the back and jump on their carcasses and devour their flesh right down to the bone.

[And nothing castrates a man psychologically quite like having the PAPD parasites subsume him right down to the bone...]

Furthermore, the descent into PAPD-induced mediocrity has accelerated in the last decade, to the point that e.g. the Vienna & London Philharmonics are now objectively unlistenable, and the Berlin Philharmonic sounds like a second-rate youth orchestra.

tl;dr = If you want to hear exotic tone colors in music, then play vintage musical instruments and listen to vintage musical recordings.

Beyond that, lose all the soy in your diet, and the manboobs on your chest, fast relentlessly, lift religiously, swallow the Red Pill, and start exhibiting risk taking in your own playing.

You'll never get the gig, but all the chicks will be fighting each other for the honor of being one of your plates.


I realy enjoy your analysis !!!

Regards



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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarh331_Dad wrote:
giakara wrote:
something missing...

The testosterone.

Modern men are all castrated - psychologically, chemically, and increasingly physically [via actual surgical butchery].

Also, don't overlook the cancerous influence which Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder [PAPD] has had on any bureaucracy, and especially on the dystopian nightmare which is the bureaucracy of the modern symphonic orchestra.

"Musicians" work their way up the ladder now by playing with perfect intonation, perfect cadence, perfect execution, and perfectly induced boredom in anyone who is forced to listen to them.

And of course the ambient PAPD-induced cultural somnabulance affects the instrument manufacturers as well - every instrument now plays perfectly in tune and sounds precisely like every other instrument - the oboes sound like clarinets, the clarinets sound like saxophones, the saxophones sound like french horns, the french horns sound like vacuum cleaners, etc etc etc...

Whereas anyone who is a risk taker - a Maynard Ferguson or a Roland Berger or a Glenn Gould or a Karl Richter & a Pierre Thibaud - would never get the gig anymore, because they might hit a note slightly out of tune, or out of cadence, or off-kilter, and all the little Passive Aggressive parasites in the Classical Music Industrial Complex would quickly stab them in the back and jump on their carcasses and devour their flesh right down to the bone.

[And nothing castrates a man psychologically quite like having the PAPD parasites subsume him right down to the bone...]

Furthermore, the descent into PAPD-induced mediocrity has accelerated in the last decade, to the point that e.g. the Vienna & London Philharmonics are now objectively unlistenable, and the Berlin Philharmonic sounds like a second-rate youth orchestra.

tl;dr = If you want to hear exotic tone colors in music, then play vintage musical instruments and listen to vintage musical recordings.

Beyond that, lose all the soy in your diet, and the manboobs on your chest, fast relentlessly, lift religiously, swallow the Red Pill, and start exhibiting risk taking in your own playing.

You'll never get the gig, but all the chicks will be fighting each other for the honor of being one of your plates.


Imagine having the ability to write complete sentences and then choosing to write this.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really enjoy this wonderful bravura performance -- thanks for sharing it. I also enjoy some very different interpretations of this piece that offer a degree of...subtlety, contrast, even delicacy...absent from this interpretation.

Having said that, it is unfortunate, to me, that a celebration of this brilliant performance of great music by an outstanding musician from many years ago includes a tear-down of today's great trumpet players and ensembles.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Thibaud is a great player, and it's refreshing (to a degree) hearing a performance of baroque music that's not in the model of the current fast, light, and dynamically understated period performance orthodoxy.

However, aside from being an interesting historical footnote, the suggestion that this is in any way better than the best performances of today indicates a bizarre, extreme perspective on music, an enormous lack of sophistication, or, most likely, both.

I'm sure it was good for its time, and breaking ground with challenging repertoire, which is great. It's also frequently very poorly balanced between the soloists cell (like, hard to tell who thinks they have the melody at many points), has lots of intonation and tone colour irregularities that don't add to the music, has a dynamic range of loud and too loud, and the army of celli and bassi make the whole thing sound plodding and muddy. Ironically, in view of the ridiculous comment about the Berlin Phil, this actually sounds much more like a youth orchestra performance (heavy, poor balance, too loud for too long, intonation problems) than a polished professional one.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At what point will someone deign to address the shocking misogyny and transphobia with which this bizarre and ignorant screed kicks off? Moderators, are you in?
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moderately amusing trolling. 6/10. It was sort of believable but you went well beyond with your comment about the Berlin Philharmonic. Next time ease up a little bit and more people will believe you're serious (the sine qua non of good trolling).
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay, I really would love to believe that post was an attempt at humor, but the talent required to be that unfunny is so extraordinary that I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moderators not responding after 24 hours... just wondering if I'd last 24 seconds, let alone minutes if I were to post this at work.

The level of ignorance demonstrated with regard to informed performance practices, contemporary and historical performing, nationalistic styles, the mechanics of playing any brass instrument, and jingoistic chest thumping is gobsmacking. The gender bias, well, if not illegal in the US, it is in other places as it is discriminatory. Such sexism needs to be called out, even if the moderators are not bothered to.

That any thinking person can support it, or even find it remotely amusing even more disturbing.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NikolaTomic wrote:
Jay, I really would love to believe that post was an attempt at humor, but the talent required to be that unfunny is so extraordinary that I don't see it happening in my lifetime.


Sounded to me like that long-winded rant was more like the master's thesis for graduation from the Acme Correspondence School of Comedy. I would also suggest that this is proof positive that those TV ads for testosterone supplements being taken off the air.
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Trolls say offensive things in order to provoke outrage. They enjoy indignation and pearl-clutching. A really good troll will appear to be sincere or at least ambiguous but this troll went too far so the attempt to offend isn’t particularly effective. They could have said all the same things but backed off just a little bit and it would’ve offended far more people since they could have seemed to have been sincere.

Legendary trolls are so convincing they appear to be unselfaware. For example: Kurt T.
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