GIVEAWAY- Custom Tuning Slide INSERTS

NiViBri · Last edited by NiViBri on Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:24 pm; edited 2 times in total

Is it time for another TRUMPET HERALD MEMBER GIVEAWAY?
If you missed the last two......
US and CANADA:
http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49529&highlight=inserts+giveaway
and INTERNATIONAL:
http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50288&highlight=international+giveaway
Reply with your interest.
Thank you ALL!
Victor
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Schilke Nate · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Am I really first?

I have a Yamaha 8340 EM.

NiViBri · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Inserts Giveaway

Schilke Nate,
Thanks for the reply.
Before we decide WHAT Inserts to GIVEAWAY, and for WHAT horns....
Let's see if TH Members WANT TO HAVE one.
I'll take your reply as a YES!
Thanks again,
Victor
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sunburstbasser · Heavyweight Member Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 1194

I'm all for giveaways! My horns are in my sig.
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bkonstans1 · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:

I love giveaways and personally think we here on TH should have some more often. My vote is a definate YES!

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corsair · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 135

Why yes, I would like to try them on my 8310ZS

gus · Veteran Member Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 452

Yeah, from Argentina here down in South America

Bach Strad lpd 25, 43 bell.

Gus

NiViBri · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Inserts

Thanks for the PM!
I should explain WHAT these Inserts ARE and WHAT they do for you!
Trumpet manufacturers make trumpets that are tuned much higher than we currently play. In spite of how GREAT these trumepts may "TEST" at the factory, WE have to pull out to play at 442, 440 etc. Further Bach, Yamah etc. have designed the RL, 25H, 25S, 25A, 43, liteweights etc. etc. and diverse lead pipes, and the Tunable Bells (the tuning slide is moved to the Bell side) to help this situation and give us a FREER blowing horn. Regardless of the maker or the design though, we HAVE to pull out! These inserts fill the gaps created when we pull out the tuning slide to play in tune. Pulling out creates these two voids where the bore suddenly becomes larger e.g. .459 enlarges to .508 in a Bach ML, and from .462 to .508 in a CL. and THEN is forced back into the smaller diameter tube again. This creates TWO places where the sound wave, and air stream, are effected adversly to our slotting, pitch, articulation, endurance, upper register, and TONE CENTER. Sometimes we have to FIGHT just to get OUT what we put IN! We have designed, and patented, these inserts as a kit of 6 pieces, 2 at 1/4", 2 at 3/8" and 2 at 1/2" so you can use the size (or next shorter size) that meets your own, individual needs. The Inserts slide in ahead of your tuning slide to fill the GAP! Even if you can not completely eliminate the entire gap, It is much easier to blow across a 1/32" or 1/16" gap that to fight the turbulence of anything larger. Further YOU decide if you want some, more, different ............back pressure by putting them just on top, just on the bottom, etc. etc.
These Inserts have been seeling at WWBW, ACCMusic (in Korea) , on Ebay and on Harrelson Trumpets for some time. Victor

Scott42486 · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:

I'd LOVE a set for my Harrelson Muse. Jason sells 'em, so I'm sure some of them have to fit his horns. I have to pull out a good INCH on my horn and thats just annoying, so I'd love some.

ewetho · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject:

I got a UMI Benge made in 2005 and, OH wait probably not on the list for likely candidates.... But would be neat to try.
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bachstradb4sprana · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 132

I'm all for a giveaway--as long as I win! I have an ML Bach Strad and a Conn 22b. Have you considered making inserts for flugels? My flugel's a lot more squirrelly than my Bbs.

EDIT: My Bach is an ML 180/37-I didn't realize that the bell size mattered
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patdublc · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:47 am Post subject:

I'd love to try them. The picture you presented shows a conventional tuning slide. Do they work with reverse tuning slides as well?
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NiViBri · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: Inserts

patdublc,
YES these inserts work with REVERSE tuning slide as well.
In that case, the insert(s) would go INTO the tuning slide top tube.
Victor
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Earl James · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:55 am Post subject:

Got any to fit my antiques?
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Bill Dishman · Heavyweight Member Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 1174

I have wnated to try these for sometime.

Bach C - 25-S leadpipe (shortened tuning slide)

Bill Dishman
Gainesville, Florida

NiViBri · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Inserts

EARL,
Sorry, nothing to fit your "antiques", BUT GREAT HORNS THERE!
PM me for a list of where you may get them.
For this Giveaway.......if there is interest, I can SPARE Inserts to fit:
1) Bach Bb REGULAR WEIGHT, Standard or RL, ML or L, 25,37,43,72.
2) Yamaha Bb REGULAR WEIGHT Ml or L 6335,6345,8335,8345
3) Bach C, D or Eb, ML or L, leadpipe standard, 25, 25-0, 25A, 25S, 25H.
6) Yamaha C, D or Eb, ML or L. standard leadpipe/tuning slide
Victor
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PiCK Kanstul · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject:

just a heads up -- make sure you read THIS this BEFORE inserting these things in your pipes.

is the patent approved yet - or still pending?

NiViBri · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Inserts

PiCKKanstul,
Thanks for writing! Shall I take your's as a "NO GIVEAWAY" Vote?
It is true, as billyhutch points out, that the condition of your horn does matter. Excess solder, corrosion, crud, mold.......can complicate their use.
Though billyhutch did not get his inserts from me, and I CANNOT swear that they were useable upon receipt.....he should not have had this problem!
I do know of three instances where the inserts were hard to remove....winghorn (in that same link) descibes pretty much the removal method too. Also, you can (easily) purchase the wrong size. Knowing your trumpet is the first step.
Victor
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PiCK Kanstul · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: sign me up

it looks like there are precautions to take and everyone who has written about them getting stuck did eventually get them out.

I keep my horns clean and they been checked for solder blobs.. the idea is logical enough.
I'd be game to give them a try.

My C is a mt vernon ML and Bb is Kanstul 1601

bowiefighter · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

Thanks for offering a giveaway! I'd definitely like to try a pair; my horn's a stock Kanstul 610.

bowiefighter
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