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trjeam
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2002 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok sorry for all the questions. But here is my question. On Systematic Approach to daily practice book on Chapter 4 Claude gets into the Clarke Technical studies for cornet book.

On the Systematic approach book Claude talks about the lesson's being for finger speed ect. He doesn't really talk about how to do the studies in the Technical Studies book. But on the Brass Playing is no harder book he goes into detail on how to practice the book(pg28). On that page he talks about when doing the studies first we are doing them first for accuracy not wind control yet. He then talks about when we first do the the studies first single toungle, then K tounge and then double or triple tounge. He says that doing the exercises like that will take about 8 months. Then once I can do that I should go back and re do the studies for wind control and then he goes into explaning other stuff.

Ok so know I explained that. My question is does the Systematic Approach book get into doing the exercises the way he explained them in Brass playing is no harder than deep breathing? If he doesn't get into that in the SA book then is it safe to do the Clarke's technical studies the way he talks about it in Brass Playing while working with the Sytematic Approach Book. Or should I wait until I finish systematic approach and then do clarke's the way he talks about in Brass playing?


Sorry again for my dumb questions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Systematic Approach was published about 25 years before "Brass Playing Is No Harder Than Deep breathing". And it is more of a generic-style book.

The description that Claude gives in "Brass Playing..." is closer to what he assigned me in my lessons with him.

But in either version, you first go through the exercises to develop fingers and accuracy (and sound, range and endurance), playing each exercise with only one repeat, in whatever style of tonguing is assigned (single, "K", DT, slurred) at a fuller volume, and then later you should go through again doing each exercise with many repeats at a soft volume to develop wind control. Note that it is at Lesson 12 that you are re-assigned Clarke #1 and told to "now work for speed and repititions".

Note also that you are eventually assigned to Double Tongue Clarke #1 at lesson 13. You should also triple tongue it for a week at this point (stay on Lesson 13 for an extra week to do this). And remember, only one repeat on each exercise when doing the DT and TT styles of articulation (the same as when you single tongued and K tongue and originally slurred each exercise).

As far as the Etudes, practice them with what ever style of tonguing you are assigned to do with the Study that week.

Basically in "Systematic Approach" the assignments are more "compacted" then in how Claude assigned material to me. More is added each week to the assignments than how Claude did it when teaching me personally. Whether this is due to the fact that Systematic is older and he later decided the assignments grew to quickily (I started with Claude 15 years after he wrote "SA"), or just due to Claude wanting to get the student through the book in one year so it could be called "a 52 week course", I do not know.

My recommendation (as I've said before) is to stay on each lesson for two weeks, so it doesn't build up too quickly.

Hope this is clear now,

John Mohan

[ This Message was edited by: John Mohan on 2002-01-18 06:48 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-01-18 06:38, John Mohan wrote:
Systematic Approach was published about 25 years before "Brass Playing Is No Harder Than Deep breathing". And it is more of a generic-style book.

The description that Claude gives in "Brass Playing..." is closer to what he assigned me in my lessons with him.

But in either version, you first go through the exercises to develop fingers and accuracy (and sound, range and endurance), playing each exercise with only one repeat, in whatever style of tonguing is assigned (single, "K", DT, slurred) at a fuller volume, and then later you should go through again doing each exercise with many repeats at a soft volume to develop wind control. Note that it is at Lesson 12 that you are re-assigned Clarke #1 and told to "now work for speed and repititions".

Note also that you are eventually assigned to Double Tongue Clarke #1 at lesson 13. You should also triple tongue it for a week at this point (stay on Lesson 13 for an extra week to do this). And remember, only one repeat on each exercise when doing the DT and TT styles of articulation (the same as when you single tongued and K tongue and originally slurred each exercise).

As far as the Etudes, practice them with what ever style of tonguing you are assigned to do with the Study that week.

Basically in "Systematic Approach" the assignments are more "compacted" then in how Claude assigned material to me. More is added each week to the assignments than how Claude did it when teaching me personally. Whether this is due to the fact that Systematic is older and he later decided the assignments grew to quickily (I started with Claude 15 years after he wrote "SA"), or just due to Claude wanting to get the student through the book in one year so it could be called "a 52 week course", I do not know.

My recommendation (as I've said before) is to stay on each lesson for two weeks, so it doesn't build up too quickly.

Hope this is clear now,

John Mohan

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Ok i think i got it know. So I do follow the directions that claude talks about in Brass playing is no harder than deep breathing with my systematic approach lesson on the clarke book? Right?

So the only reason claude didn't explain what he explained in Brass playing was because he wrote SA earlier and then later he wrote Brass playing to explain things? Correct?

Ok i think i got it.

Also I was wondering if it was safe to practice the lessons in SA more than once a day.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started lessons with Claude, we had a lesson every week. He would assign a new lesson from Systematic Approach every week. Staying on a lesson for 2 weeks started when Claude started giving the guys lessons every other week and eventually once a month. I believe the main reason was so Claude could monitor your progress before moving on to the next lesson. It certainly doesn't hurt to go a little slower by spending 2 weeks on each lesson.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-01-18 14:04, trjeam wrote:
Also I was wondering if it was safe to practice the lessons in SA more than once a day.


No!

I do respect your enthusiasm, but you should only go through the routine ONCE per day. Herbert L. Clarke's quote about practicing being like medicine comes to mind:

"A few drops of medicine will cure, whereas a teaspoonful will kill."

John Mohan
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-01-18 21:02, John Mohan wrote:
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On 2002-01-18 14:04, trjeam wrote:
Also I was wondering if it was safe to practice the lessons in SA more than once a day.


No!

I do respect your enthusiasm, but you should only go through the routine ONCE per day. Herbert L. Clarke's quote about practicing being like medicine comes to mind:

"A few drops of medicine will cure, whereas a teaspoonful will kill."

John Mohan

Ok thanks. I was only practicing it once a day anyways. And thanks to all that ku tounging I'm doing my double tounging is getting better than what it was.
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