What would turn a trumpet into a cornet?

etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6177

As of now, a good pro quality Yamaha trumpet (such as a YTR-6335) costs almost as low as about 1/2 of the price of a good pro quality cornet (such as YCR-8335). In the 20th century the cornet and trumpet designs became closer and closer to each other. The differences are in the leadpipe and the wrap more than in anything else.

This brings a question: what would be needed to turn a YTR-6335 into a pro-level cornet without damaging the instrument?

Perhaps a Bob Reeves or GR cornet-to-trumpet mouthpiece adapter?

Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3377

Try a Curry TC mouthpiece; they are quite amazing!

MvW.

Richabai · Regular Member Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 73

If you're looking to buy a trumpet and get the flexibility of a cornet-ish sound, then a Curry TF or TC, or a similarly made mouthpiece (I have a Kanstul-made Monette FLT mp) or your adapter will probably do the trick.

But if you want a cornet, buy a cornet. You can buy a brand new Getzen 3850 (I'm getting to love mine) for about the same price as that Yamaha and I'm sure that there are lots of quality used instruments to be had for even less.

Just my $.02

Bob Stevenson · Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:58 am Post subject:

......fit a long straight tapered leadpipe at least 12 inches long......fit a cornet mpc to the leadpipe,...fit a cornet players lips to the mpc,...fit a cornet players mind to the lips.........job done.

jazz_trpt · Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject:

There's something to be said for using the mouthpiece to handle the switcharoo in sound -- the blow should feel different on a cornet than on a trumpet, and I'd just as soon play one horn for everything.
_________________
Jeff Helgesen
Free jazz solo transcriptions!

etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6177

nieuwguyski · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject:

damo_4701

cjl · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:45 am Post subject:

Well, one of our TH members has done the reverse twice - created a trumpet from a cornet. Perhaps you could go the other direction? Here are links to his "projects".

An Earlier Project: Trumpet made from a Cornet!

Latest Project: Another trumpet made from a Cornet!

I guess that this method "damages" the instrument, though. Changes it significantly, at least.

-- Joe

lyndon153 · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: get a cornet

I couldn't agree more. I love my new Getzen 3850s as well.

I thought that by design the trumpet and cornet were different animals; with the trumpet as a cylindrical tubing and the corent with a conical shape. And that was the reason for the deeper sound and more harmonics from the cornet, and the sweeter sound from the trumpet ?

BTW, I love the way the my 3850 puts the "bite" into trumpet pieces. Some one is going to have to drag me away from it back to my Bach Strad. (Although, I do still play the Strad where I need to blend in more.)
But then, I'm just an amature player.

--Lyndon

allstarbugler

What would turn a lawnmower into a hedgetrimmer?

plp · Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject:

As suggested above, just try a different mouthpiece. The Bach 5V or 5A will mellow the sound right out, or a Warburton BC top (in your choice of diameter) on a trumpet backbore will also do the job.
_________________
Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth

lmf · Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject:

Keep the trumpet and continue to use it as a trumpet.

Buy a cornet (used or new) and enjoy.

You can switch back and forth as your musical needs dictate.

Modifying your trumpet to resemble a cornet sound won't stop the "urge" to own a "real" cornet, nor will it be a "real" cornet in my opinion.

Folks here have given you good examples of cornets to try and buy should you decide to move in that direction.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

shastastan

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5792

Longer leadpipe with more taper is a good place to start. Continueing that taper through the main tuneing slide would be another great way to go. Add a faster taper tothe throat of the trumpets bell and their you go! The steped bore Leadpipe I think is already made by M/K draeing I believe. They also would have a leadpipe thatis longer and has more taper to it. Add a deeper V style mouthpiece tot he mix and theiryou go! The slide is a no brainer if they make it direct swap. The leadpipe you will need to have installed if youc annot do it yourself. I would leave the bell alone since this would up the cost a lot. I might also do this on a YTR 4335 since they are cheaper and come with a heavy weight gold brass bell and will lend themselfs to the darker and more melodic sound of a cornet once the other changes are made! Mind you this is all theory but it is grounded in solid practical idea's based on playing botha cornet and trumpet. You might have to have the bell tail shortened as you increase the length of the leadpipe itis all going to depend on what intonation issues crop up. You can buy a generic replacement Cornet leadpipe from Votaw Tools for under $35 I think. It comes filled with pitch so you can bend it but if you where going to put it on a trumpet you wouldnot need to bend it. Also you wouldhave to decide if you wanted to use a cornet shank recivr or a trumpet style one.
_________________
The only easy day was yesterday!

Scorpion · Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject:

you've gotten some good advice here. I would stick with getting the curry TC or TF. However, that is more of a compromise than a solution. I think You're best bet, if you're looking for a specifically cornet sound, is to wait a while for a good used one to pop up at a reasonable price.
_________________
-GET OVER HERE!
-1964 Olds Super Balanced Depleted Uranium single flue Harpoon (w/custom coprion hand guard i got from a 1925 Conn Erradicator.) Akright converted handle w/calfskin grip (143xx)

hiandlo · Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: Trumpet to Cornet

I bought a flugelhorn to trumpet adapter and sometimes use my Stork 6FL flugelhorn mouthpiece with the trumpet. I found it gives a much warmer sound to any of my trumpets, even the brightest sounding horns. But I had the most success using it with the UMI Benge, which is a large bore trumpet. (By the way, I also own a cornet, not an expensive one and use a Stork Vacchiano 3C cornet mouthpiece with it.......Nice sound! And this is a Bach student model cornet).
_________________
Bach "Big Apple" M37 Strad trumpet
Getzen 3001 LE Doc Severinsen model
Bach Strad M37 cornet
Schilke B7
DEG Signature model cornet

"Those who fail to prepare should prepare to fail"

deejaymushone · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:28 pm Post subject: Conn 48A vs Conn 48B

kehaulani · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:01 pm Post subject:

You realise this thread is at least a decade old?
_________________
"If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird

Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn

deejaymushone · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:11 pm Post subject: