Should I out a guy who sold me a damaged mouthpiece?

fraserhutch

I bought a Reeves mouthpiece from this guy, and it was totally unusable. The rim is all scuffed up, to the point of being very noticeable to the naked eye. Needless to say it is very uncomfortable to play.

He now refuses to respond to my emails about this. I really have to call people out, but it's been a week and a half since my initial email about it.

Should I name him. I just want my money back.

Caveat emptor?
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tommy t. · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject:

"Outing" a bad actor is a fair use of internet technology, but an uncalled for outing is itself a bad act that can have unfortunate consequences for a long time.

Before doing this, answer these questions:

Did the seller make any representation about the condition of the piece?
Did the price fairly represent the market price of a piece in new condition, good condition or bargin bin condition?
Have you had someone else look at and play the piece and agree with your evaluation of the condition?
Should you give him one more chance to respond with the warning that if you don't hear from him, you'll make your posting?

Caveat emptor always applies, but the efficient market requires a sharing of informatin. If you are sure of your facts, spill 'em.

Tommy T.
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fraserhutch · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:

There was no indication of the condition of the mouthpiece at all, which is perfectly in line with the 100's of listing we wee in the marketplace. I was not (and do) not expect it in mint condition. I see it as a perfectly reasonable assumption that, unless stated otherwise, it is in good condition. This mouthpiece is clearly NOT in good condition.

As for the price, it was a tad (and just a tad) on the lower end of what I've paid here for perfectly acceptable pieces.

I have not had anyone else inspect it, as it is patently obvious that the rim isscored all over the place. As I said, it is very obvious to the naked eye, not to mention what it feels like on the chops. there was no mention of this anywhrein the ad our our transactions.

A.N.A.Mendez

LFRoberts5 · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject:

Let us know who he is, that way we won't be doing business with him.
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david johnson · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:30 am Post subject:

go hit him in the chops with it. he knows better.

dj

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And the lucky winner is?

fraserhutch · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:03 am Post subject:

I will out him Monday if I don't hear back from him by then.
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fraserhutch · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject:

No reply, so I'm letting you all know not to have dealings with Benjamin Strickland.
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Thank you!

Is that one related to Strickland's Propane from Arlen, TX?

Conn6B · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:47 am Post subject:

lmf · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:

One could also make the assumption that each person has his own concept of the quality of a used item. Did he think it was of good quality and offered it? Did he know it was poor quality and was out to make a fast buck?

If the quality was not implied in the ad it was a "Catch 22" situation when ordering. The seller's perception and the buyer's perception of the used item were not the same.

Having said that, I believe one could give a hundred excuses why the seller has not come to terms with the buyer? College student or not, does he not the seller bear the responsibility for delivering the goods on time? What are we teaching him if we overlook his lack of responsibility? Integrity needs to be taught and learned. Sadly, not all have learned integrity and a college education apparently doesn't guarantee it.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

fraserhutch · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:46 am Post subject:

I will post a picture of the rim tonight. There is no case for considering this a decent condition mouthpiece, IMHO. We're talking a gouged-up rim here.

I have yet to be able to get a reply from him either though TH or through his email. I am left to assume he knows full well what he has done and just refuses to make things right.
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Conn6B · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject:

lmf · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

Morris,

It could be as you say and the person no longer has the same email address, but he still knows in "his heart of hearts" that he has left something unsettled. Whether or not he has the same email address, he needs to deal with these matters and do what he can to make them right. Otherwise, he only leaves others believing "integrity" is meaningless to him. Is "lack of integrity" going to be the hallmark of the rest of his college life and professional career? Why do we help him make excuses for his behavior and continue to ignore those he may have wronged?

Best wishes,

Lloyd

Conn6B · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject:

lmf · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject:

Morris,

I'm not speaking about the defective mouthpiece issue, but more directly relating to the seller not dealing with it while several people giving excuses as to why the seller is unwilling to deal with the buyer.

It appears that the seller is in college which appears to be a justification for him not dealing with the buyer for the reasons people stated. How are we expecting him to be responsible when when excuse his behavior in being irresponsible?

Best wishes,

Lloyd

Conn6B · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject:

lmf · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject:

Morris,

Seems like folks are making excuses 'cause the seller is in college and has any number of reasons that he won't settle with the buyer. Can he be that busy, broke or irresponsible as one of upcoming leaders of our world?

Better off we should say he is busy, broke and irresponsible as to blame it on being a college student in my opinion that is? Dishonest... now that may be a reach, but that is in the seller's court now.

Best wishes,

Lloyd