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Bruin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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If you like Chop Saver, Canadian Brass is running a pretty good special with Berp Bio Oil. I think the savings is pretty good if you like both products, which I do. _________________ '64 Conn Connstellation 38B
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deleted_user_fdb91a0 New Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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*CHAPSTICK ALL-NATURAL*
--No chemicals
--Only natural ingredients
--Medium viscosity, with no oily feeling
--No petrolatum
I've tried ChopSaver, and I couldn't stand it. I'm not sure why people rave about it being non-greasy, because it was the greasiest stuff I have ever put on my face. Like bacon grease dipped in olive oil...gross!
In reference to the comment made about lip balm not being needed if you're playing enough, there is some credence to that. Is it a good idea to use it anyway, in order to keep the lips soft and supple? Absolutely. If one is playing so much that his chops are the consistency of a catcher's mitt, lip balm will help. I spent nearly a decade playing high-lead for 10 hours a day, every day, in the sun, whilst running around on a football field. The chop time was great for endurance and power, but had I not used lip balm diligently, that schedule would have destroyed me. |
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trumpetp1 Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 136 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: Lip Balm |
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I like ChopSaver, but it costs more than just about anything else in my area (Neutrogena, Burt's Bees etc.). So, I usually just use Chapstick All Natural (clear tube) or Blistex Complete Moisture (blue tube). Inexpensive and effective! _________________ trumpetp1 |
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spacekillguy Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: |
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i dislike ALL lip balms, i think its just me though because i swells my lips like a balloon, and it takes like 5 hours to unswell, even with ice!
and yes i mean all lip balms, even chopsaver
but i like to use chopsaver on those super dry winter days that can seriously crack your lips
and i usually use burts beeswax AFTER i play my instrument, which is like at 10 pm at night, and i wipe it off after i feel i've had enough
of course thats just me... |
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pepperdean Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Johnson City, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Doc Rheinhardt always said to beware of most lip balms because they contain eucalyptus oil. His assertion was that it gets in your pores and comes back out, making your chops slippery, when you play.
His recommendation was White's Vitamin A&D ointment. Works for me.
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Forgot to mention Preparation H. Helps with the swelling, too. |
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Ellsworth Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | Forgot to mention Preparation H. Helps with the swelling, too. |
Dude, if you're using Preparation H, we need to talk about your embouchure placement _________________ Bach Mount Vernon Bb
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: |
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I prefer Chopsaver. However, Badger, Burt's Bees and Lipsyl are all quite good, too. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
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CJH Regular Member
Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 79 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Chapstick for me. I use the stuff in the blue tube with spf. I don't know why I use that one particularly, I just do, I'm used to it, and it works great for me on the nasty dry cold winter days. |
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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LeeC Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't resist re-telling this story. Was back in winter of 1977-78 or so and our band was traveling through New Hampshire playing the local dives.
This group required a non stop un-amplified brass section going five hours an evening. Took me about a year and a half of this pounding work to get to a certain point where I was largely unaffected by any lip problems. Either playing or weather induced.
During a particularly cold snap the rhythm section players were going through a nasty bout of chapped lips and gums. The bass player announced:
"Let's go find out what lip balm Lee is using. He's gotta know what to do".
Sorry to tell them that i wasn't using anything at all. Heck during that winter I could have kissed an iceberg at forty below and not missed my next entrance.
Another thing about long term heavy playing matters: When playing long hours for months or years in a row, you don't need much of a warm up most times. Playing the trumpet becomes the natural condition. We don't need to "warm up" our feet before going for a leisurely walk.
Unless our opening show started with notes well above High C I wouldn't need to warm up. Most times back in those days my "warm up" consisted of two parts
1. One glass of C-O-L-D Gin ("hold the tonic") and immediately jumping on stage.
2. Pulling tuning slide out at the end of the first number as the horn went sharp after the temperature rise.
Beginners should consider adding tonic seltzer to recipe No. 1. This is an advanced players warm up (wink) |
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | You guys are hilarious! |
Maybe, but looks aren't everything. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
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tipo mastr Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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I use chopsaver, not because it somehow "saves" my chops, but rather that it can lock in moisture without leaving a residue that has to be wiped off minutes before playing. that last part is the most important part for me...if I apply it, I want to be able to take it off at any time and start playing.
Regardless, I try not to expose my chops to the elements...when I'm outsde on really cold windy days, I usually cover my mouth. |
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rbdeli Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Posts: 246 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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hhmmm. I think you might be making a good point about becoming addicted to lip balm. I might be guilty of that.
What happened to me is that I changed trumpet teachers back when I was about 16 years old. I used to play with my lips dry. He made me start playing wet, and my lips have been chapped ever since - even though I rarely play anymore! Now I am addicted to Mentholatum Stick Lip Balm!
Crazy Finn wrote: | What's my preferred lip balm? None.
I don't like using a lip balm for a few reasons:
- It adds an different feel to playing the horn (A minor consideration)
- The more you use a lip balm, the more your lips seem to need one. The less you use one, the less you'll need one you'll discover.
Sometimes I see people who apply lip balm every 15 minutes or so (even brass players). It's ridiculous. Human lips thrived survived for thousands of years without lip balms.
Now, I'll admit that there are sometimes a few days in the winter (and by a few, I mean 5 or less) when my lips really dry out - especially overnight. I use either the Vaseline Lip therapy (non medicated) which is basically Vaseline in a lip balm-like container or one of the Burt's Bees lip products. Stay as natural as possible. Stuff like Chapstick and others have lots of chemicals you don't need to expose yourself or your lips to.
The fewer chemicals you put on your lips the healthier they and you will be. |
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rbdeli Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Burts Bees feels great on the lips, but it goes on like white lipstick and ends up making you look like a clown with white lips. I already play like a clown why would I want to look like one too?
PH wrote: | I prefer Chopsaver. However, Badger, Burt's Bees and Lipsyl are all quite good, too. |
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rbdeli Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think he was talking about our playing.
dershem wrote: | Crazy Finn wrote: | You guys are hilarious! |
Maybe, but looks aren't everything. |
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Umyoguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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LeeC wrote: |
If your lips are chapping in cold weather you're just not practicing enough.
This is one of the purest barometers of endurance. The person playing the heavy gigs over many months/years doesn't need lip balm. His chops are steel.
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Baloney. Everyone is different. Lips chap due to weather changes and hydration levels all the time. Has nothing to do with endurance.
I rarely use any kind of lip balm, and when I do, it's merely to comfort the symptom of chapped, cracking lips, not to aid in playing. I use Burts Beeswax. Simple, nothing crazy toxic, and it wipes off quickly.
When I have to play, I just rub my lips, grin and bear the discomfort, and blow.
FWIW.
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thedevilisbad Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Umyoguy wrote: | LeeC wrote: |
If your lips are chapping in cold weather you're just not practicing enough.
This is one of the purest barometers of endurance. The person playing the heavy gigs over many months/years doesn't need lip balm. His chops are steel.
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Baloney. Everyone is different. Lips chap due to weather changes and hydration levels all the time. Has nothing to do with endurance.
I rarely use any kind of lip balm, and when I do, it's merely to comfort the symptom of chapped, cracking lips, not to aid in playing. I use Burts Beeswax. Simple, nothing crazy toxic, and it wipes off quickly.
When I have to play, I just rub my lips, grin and bear the discomfort, and blow.
FWIW.
Jon |
He must not live in Michigan. _________________ Do or do not, there is no try.
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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thedevilisbad wrote: | He must not live in Michigan. |
Are you referring to cold weather climates?
I've used a lip balm three times over the past two years (Burt's Bees). I live in Minnesota.
I agree - hydration and diet make more of a difference than anything else. I don't think playing endurance has much to do with chapping, though it obviously has much to do with playing. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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thedevilisbad Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | thedevilisbad wrote: | He must not live in Michigan. |
Are you referring to cold weather climates?
I've used a lip balm three times over the past two years (Burt's Bees). I live in Minnesota.
I agree - hydration and diet make more of a difference than anything else. I don't think playing endurance has much to do with chapping, though it obviously has much to do with playing. |
That's exactly what I mean. I agree, hydration is probably the most important thing for not just keeping your lips in good shape but your whole body as well. Sometimes though, I think one needs the extra help of a lip balm, but I would say that 97% of it has to do with hydration.
I was just commenting on th playing endurance thing.
Do my weaknesses of a trumpet player make my nose run? Cause that is often what chaps my lips. _________________ Do or do not, there is no try.
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