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LeeC
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I used to get chapped lips all the time. Yet once I started to play and practice five plus hours a day the situation resolved itself.
And I have gigged in Lansing as well as Flint, MI. |
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Peter Bond
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| Craig Swartz wrote: | | Forgot to mention Preparation H. Helps with the swelling, too. |
There are instances of players using Prep H on their chops for swelling from overplaying. Bad idea. These guys then have to find subs for their next several engagements.
I rarely use lip balm, but if it is crazy cold and I go bicycling or something, I'll use chap stick, or bag balm, or vaseline, or even slide grease (which is mostly lanolin anyway) in a pinch. If my lips are already chapped, I use blistex. |
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uglylips
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I use Carmex and especially in winter. So far this works the best for me. Chapstick, Blistex, and Burt's I've used, but Carmex seems to last the longest and protect my lips the best.
I do wonder about the effects of Camphor, Menthol, and Phenol.
I've been using Carmex for over 20 years. Maybe I'm addicted.
If I don't use a lip balm my lips get chapped quickly and become problematic for playing. My work environment is very dry and my hands will also chap, but not as quickly as my lips.
The colder the weather the faster I chap. |
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Crazy Finn
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| uglylips wrote: | | I do wonder about the effects of Camphor, Menthol, and Phenol. |
They dehydrate your lips and skin - drying them out so you seem to need more of the stuff you're using.
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differencetone
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| What is the active ingredient in Chopsaver? |
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spitvalve
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I never used lip balms growing up in the deep South, but when I moved to Utah I started having problems in the dry climate. I tried Chapstick but found it too goopy; I got addicted to Blistick and continued using it after I moved to Texas. I use Carmex now because that's what's available in my house, but I still prefer Blistick.
The thing about the lip balms is that I only use them when I'm not playing, just to protect my lips, especially in the winter. I can't play with that stuff on my chops.
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PAB
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I happen to have a tube of Chopsaver Gold (spf 15) sitting here. The active ingredients are listed as:
Octinoxate - 7.2% (sunscreen)
Oxybenzone - 4.3% (sunscreen)
Other ingredients include Castor oil, candelilla wax, white beeswax, shea butter, mango butter, aloe vera, etc.
Not sure if/how this differs from regular Chopsaver.
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uglylips
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | uglylips wrote: | | I do wonder about the effects of Camphor, Menthol, and Phenol. |
They dehydrate your lips and skin - drying them out so you seem to need more of the stuff you're using. |
Someone else has mentioned this to me before. Maybe it's time to look into using something else. Thanks! |
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Adam V
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Octinoxate and Oxybenzone are two bad ingredients. I can't believe Chopsaver Gold contains those.
Stick with the regular Chopsaver and you'll be fine.
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CJH
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| Adam V wrote: | Octinoxate and Oxybenzone are two bad ingredients. I can't believe Chopsaver Gold contains those.
Stick with the regular Chopsaver and you'll be fine. |
Interesting.. I am glad you posted this.
It seems both ingredients are in it for their sunscreening properties. Oxybenzone especially seems to be bad. Probably not directly bad for playing, but it's listed as a possible carcinogen when exposed to light.
Think I'll switch to non-SPF from now on... thanks for the tip.
Wikipedia links:
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LeeC
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| I'm gonna bet that our chapped lipped folks are more likely to be dry lip players. Just a wild guess but might be true. |
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uglylips
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| LeeC wrote: | | I'm gonna bet that our chapped lipped folks are more likely to be dry lip players. Just a wild guess but might be true. |
Not me. |
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etc-etc
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| Most likely the opposite - the chapped lip players are the wet lip players. Remember what happens if you constantly lick you lips - they will get chapped. |
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LeeC
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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They end up getting wet anyway. The reason Armstrong always held a handkerchief.
Louis' lips were a showcase of scars. The dry lip combination can be nasty. You should have seen Bill Chase, another dry lip player. He had horrific lip and facial scars from the mouthpiece. |
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differencetone
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| etc-etc wrote: | | Most likely the opposite - the chapped lip players are the wet lip players. Remember what happens if you constantly lick you lips - they will get chapped. |
I'm not familiar with wet lip versus dry lip. Is it a different sound? |
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wilcox96
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| BobList wrote: | | Usually a generous coating of Budweiser does the trick for me, though. |
...a buddy of mine puts it another way...Cold Aluminum. 
Anyway... another suggestion is not a balm or waxy product, but a vitamin E or other decent lotion. Absorbs into the skin/lips... protects... heals.. and if used on a gig...you can actually play almost immediately after applying (because it "absorbs"....vs a waxy or vaseliney type product that you have to wipe off). Anyway.. there you have it.
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thedevilisbad
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| uglylips wrote: | | LeeC wrote: | | I'm gonna bet that our chapped lipped folks are more likely to be dry lip players. Just a wild guess but might be true. |
Not me. |
Maybe chapped lips don't have to do with trumpet playing at all. Maybe it's just because it's cold out and people have their heaters on and aren't drinking enough water...
Just a thought (otherwise people who didn't play trumpet at all wouldn't have top worry about chapped lips).
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