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ThatDude Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: Best Vintage Cornets For The Money? |
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Best cornets for the money? Most undervalued?
Most importantly, why?
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RNJTrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Conn 80A |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Olds Ambassador _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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so what Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Reynolds Emperor
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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so what wrote: | Reynolds Emporer |
Reynolds Emperor? Yup, that's a good one. The Olds Ambassador is great too. Reynolds are easier to get cheaper as a whole sometimes because they lack the brand "cache" of Olds - basically, it's not as widely known. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Buescher Aristocrats. Totally unknown, way undervalued, and they're nearly free. The design survived the Selmer buyout.
They actually sound like cornets. The Ambassador does not, at least the one I played.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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roynj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Another vote for the Conn 80A. These are plentiful, well made, and play beautifully. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Holton Galaxy
Very sweet sound and can be had cheap. _________________ Richard
Conn 22B Trumpet
York Eminence Model 4028 Cornet
1903 Conn The Wonder Cornet |
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WildCat Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I think it might be fair to ask what kind of cornet you're looking for? Many are built kind of trumpet-y, while others maintain more of a characteristic cornet design and sound. That said...
I've owned some Conn 80A cornets. A couple were great horns, but some of the others (made in the 30's and 40's) had an issue with valves leaking. If you get a chance, make sure the compression will hold if you start blowing into a horn. It can make a big difference (like, keeping it vs. selling it the day after you get it).
I'm not sure what the cut-off date is for vintage instruments, but there was some mention of the Yamaha 2330II in another thread. For the money, those things are fantastic. _________________ Vince K. |
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Sturmbill Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Before Dale Proctor says it: Conn 5A
Yamaha 233 or 2330 (not 2330II)
And a third vote for the Conn 80A
Bill _________________ Noli illegitimi carborundum... Joe Stilwell |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: |
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King master , i find from time to time some with less than $200.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: |
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martin committee cornet!
actually plays better than the committee trumpet, and sounds just like the committee trumpet, that so many people want. You can get those for 200 bucks every time. I have had two, and they had different bells. The intonation is a little sharp in the upper register, but it seemed to be fine in real life gig situations. I still have one.
The 3rd slide is cut longer than the committee trumpet 3rd slide, so I cut mine off to match, which made it a lot better. I hate the long 3rd slide that som many maker put on the cornet.
Also you can go wrong with a conn 36A concert grande but that is kind of dark for jazz playing. That is about the best cornet ever made by the way.
I also LOVE my conn 8a slender model large bore with the tiny bell and FAT sound. I played my graduate jazz recital on that horn horn. What a sound, great getting around. Super cool looking too. Radical looks. I had the valves rebuilt and also cut the 3rd slide shorter and added a 3rd slide trigger. I might sell that one by the way, but I would probably get 300 for it, which is a joke compared to how it plays. I'm not playing much cornet now, so if some good player was going to play it, i would sell it just to be nice. I even used that horn in brass quintet for a while and it sounded and played great. Looked too radical for some legit guys though. You know how they are:)
DOug M _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
vintage Trumpet design enthusiast
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lmf Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I enjoy playing my Conn Connstellation long cornet. Still plays nice and is great shape for an old horn.
Best wishes,
Lloyd
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schneeweis Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think VetPsychWars is on to it with the Aristocrats. While the Olds Ambassadors with the large shank mouthpiece receivers can often be had cheaply, if it doesn't come with a proper fitting mouthpiece, you'll spend more for a replacement mouthpiece than the price of the horn (Guilty - but Curry makes a great one, fast). I've scored more often on the Aristocrats - all three for less than $35. Don't overlook the Elkharts which Buescher also made. I just got a 56C that is a real player. |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Sturmbill wrote: | Before Dale Proctor says it: Conn 5A
Yamaha 233 or 2330 (not 2330II)
And a third vote for the Conn 80A
Bill |
You beat me to it easily - I was at the beach all last week with no computer and no horn (gave the lips a rest). I'll add the Yamaha 2310 to the list, though. I think it has a better "cornet sound" than the 2330... _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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RNJTrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Best Vintage Cornets For The Money? |
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ThatDude wrote: | Most importantly, why? |
Sorry, I missed that part of the question...
Great tone and response, versitile, well bulit...especially the late models where you can use modern shank MPs (my '67 sounds fantastic with a Schilke 11E).
Probably undervalued because there are so many of them out there, like Olds Ambassadors (plus the 80A's look very different...that matters to some folks). I've had both (still have the 80A's), maybe the Ambassador has better valves - but you can't beat the tone that comes out of the 80A.
You could get one that needs a little work for about $125 - 150, but I would easily wait and pay $250 - $300 for one that needs no work. |
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tom turner Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'll second that mention of the Holton Galaxy. Lots of the other horns mentioned are already on the radar of folks just discovering both the trumpet forums and ebay, and thus drive prices up on lots of the vintage horns.
The Holton Galaxy cornets aren't THAT old, and thus probably more of 'em will still be in decent shape . . . plus . . . there's not much buzz about 'em.
I could name others that have been mentioned too, along with some other of my favorites but most of them have been "discovered" by new generations eager to try them based on the buzz.
REMEMBER FOLKS THOUGH . . . with vintage horns, it is the individual SPECIMEN that matters. After all these years, a great model of horn can be a real dog . . . if it was "dogged out."
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Well if you live in the UK, the later imperial cornets (low pitch, frosted finish with one piece leadpipe). A very good one (apparently not out of the case for 20 years) sold last week on ebay for £80. Worth every penny. The very late "Imperial Besson" is the same as the sovereign but sells for less than half the price. Salvation army cornets can also be a very good buy. The Salvation Army had their own instrument factory in England and made very good instruments.
I knew of someone who went to the USA, bought up container loads of ex school band instruments and brought them to the UK to sell. Maybe someone could do it the other way round? Do a few band room clearances. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Incidentally there was a Conn Wonder sold on Ebay UK last week for £250 with original case and an intact Bb/A change mechanism that extebnded all the slides. Not often you see one as intact as that. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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mffan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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King Master model. Big wrap, great valves and intonation, pleasing tone to me using a vintage OLDS 7c or King 7M for use in concert band or the swing band I play in for vocal backups, when appropriate. _________________ Dave Rafferty Devillier Stencil (German) Besson 609
1960's B & H Embassy Trumpet, Besson 2-20,
Barrington trumpet.
www.kalamazooconcertband.org |
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