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ThatDude
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:42 pm    Post subject: Best Vintage Cornets For The Money? Reply with quote

Best cornets for the money? Most undervalued?


Most importantly, why?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conn 80A
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olds Ambassador
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reynolds Emperor

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what wrote:
Reynolds Emporer

Reynolds Emperor? Yup, that's a good one. The Olds Ambassador is great too. Reynolds are easier to get cheaper as a whole sometimes because they lack the brand "cache" of Olds - basically, it's not as widely known.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buescher Aristocrats. Totally unknown, way undervalued, and they're nearly free. The design survived the Selmer buyout.

They actually sound like cornets. The Ambassador does not, at least the one I played.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the Conn 80A. These are plentiful, well made, and play beautifully.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holton Galaxy

Very sweet sound and can be had cheap.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it might be fair to ask what kind of cornet you're looking for? Many are built kind of trumpet-y, while others maintain more of a characteristic cornet design and sound. That said...

I've owned some Conn 80A cornets. A couple were great horns, but some of the others (made in the 30's and 40's) had an issue with valves leaking. If you get a chance, make sure the compression will hold if you start blowing into a horn. It can make a big difference (like, keeping it vs. selling it the day after you get it).

I'm not sure what the cut-off date is for vintage instruments, but there was some mention of the Yamaha 2330II in another thread. For the money, those things are fantastic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before Dale Proctor says it: Conn 5A

Yamaha 233 or 2330 (not 2330II)

And a third vote for the Conn 80A

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King master , i find from time to time some with less than $200.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

martin committee cornet!
actually plays better than the committee trumpet, and sounds just like the committee trumpet, that so many people want. You can get those for 200 bucks every time. I have had two, and they had different bells. The intonation is a little sharp in the upper register, but it seemed to be fine in real life gig situations. I still have one.

The 3rd slide is cut longer than the committee trumpet 3rd slide, so I cut mine off to match, which made it a lot better. I hate the long 3rd slide that som many maker put on the cornet.

Also you can go wrong with a conn 36A concert grande but that is kind of dark for jazz playing. That is about the best cornet ever made by the way.

I also LOVE my conn 8a slender model large bore with the tiny bell and FAT sound. I played my graduate jazz recital on that horn horn. What a sound, great getting around. Super cool looking too. Radical looks. I had the valves rebuilt and also cut the 3rd slide shorter and added a 3rd slide trigger. I might sell that one by the way, but I would probably get 300 for it, which is a joke compared to how it plays. I'm not playing much cornet now, so if some good player was going to play it, i would sell it just to be nice. I even used that horn in brass quintet for a while and it sounded and played great. Looked too radical for some legit guys though. You know how they are:)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy playing my Conn Connstellation long cornet. Still plays nice and is great shape for an old horn.

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think VetPsychWars is on to it with the Aristocrats. While the Olds Ambassadors with the large shank mouthpiece receivers can often be had cheaply, if it doesn't come with a proper fitting mouthpiece, you'll spend more for a replacement mouthpiece than the price of the horn (Guilty - but Curry makes a great one, fast). I've scored more often on the Aristocrats - all three for less than $35. Don't overlook the Elkharts which Buescher also made. I just got a 56C that is a real player.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sturmbill wrote:
Before Dale Proctor says it: Conn 5A

Yamaha 233 or 2330 (not 2330II)

And a third vote for the Conn 80A

Bill


You beat me to it easily - I was at the beach all last week with no computer and no horn (gave the lips a rest). I'll add the Yamaha 2310 to the list, though. I think it has a better "cornet sound" than the 2330...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Best Vintage Cornets For The Money? Reply with quote

ThatDude wrote:
Most importantly, why?


Sorry, I missed that part of the question...

Great tone and response, versitile, well bulit...especially the late models where you can use modern shank MPs (my '67 sounds fantastic with a Schilke 11E).

Probably undervalued because there are so many of them out there, like Olds Ambassadors (plus the 80A's look very different...that matters to some folks). I've had both (still have the 80A's), maybe the Ambassador has better valves - but you can't beat the tone that comes out of the 80A.

You could get one that needs a little work for about $125 - 150, but I would easily wait and pay $250 - $300 for one that needs no work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second that mention of the Holton Galaxy. Lots of the other horns mentioned are already on the radar of folks just discovering both the trumpet forums and ebay, and thus drive prices up on lots of the vintage horns.

The Holton Galaxy cornets aren't THAT old, and thus probably more of 'em will still be in decent shape . . . plus . . . there's not much buzz about 'em.

I could name others that have been mentioned too, along with some other of my favorites but most of them have been "discovered" by new generations eager to try them based on the buzz.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you live in the UK, the later imperial cornets (low pitch, frosted finish with one piece leadpipe). A very good one (apparently not out of the case for 20 years) sold last week on ebay for £80. Worth every penny. The very late "Imperial Besson" is the same as the sovereign but sells for less than half the price. Salvation army cornets can also be a very good buy. The Salvation Army had their own instrument factory in England and made very good instruments.

I knew of someone who went to the USA, bought up container loads of ex school band instruments and brought them to the UK to sell. Maybe someone could do it the other way round? Do a few band room clearances.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally there was a Conn Wonder sold on Ebay UK last week for £250 with original case and an intact Bb/A change mechanism that extebnded all the slides. Not often you see one as intact as that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Master model. Big wrap, great valves and intonation, pleasing tone to me using a vintage OLDS 7c or King 7M for use in concert band or the swing band I play in for vocal backups, when appropriate.
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