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plp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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intrepidpooch wrote: | Sergey I feel the same way about the Conn 8B Artist that I just got a couple weeks ago. I was buying it with the intention of having a backup for my '51 Martin Committee but this horn plays SO good that I'm actually making it my main axe! I can definitely see why Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, and Woody Shaw all played this horn because it plays like a dream. If you ever get a chance to try an 8B Artist, DO IT! It's almost identical to your 38B except it has a 4 5/8" bell and is lighter weight (and has no trigger on the 1st valve slide and has a different mouthpiece receiver). |
Are the valves on your 8B bottom or top sprung?
I purchased a 60B about two years ago, stopped my collecting bug dead in it's tracks. With three Stork mouthpieces in various configurations, can do anything and everything I need.
The thing that stood out about this trumpet are the valves, far and away the best I've ever used. They are light years away from the old Soviet Industrial Design valves of pretty much all Conns prior to them, super light and responsive. I figured, OK, Conn took a page from everyone else and went with monel Bach copies. Not so, stainless steel (as best I can tell) over maybe aluminum????
Whatever they are, it was too little too late to save the true Conn company. I'm not going to dispute some good things came later, but my personal experience with Abilene horns has not led me to believe it. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5468 Location: Suffolk, England
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Connstellation |
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Hugh Anderson wrote: | Sergey, what's the piece played on that video, do you know? And played by whom?
Thanks,
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Hi
You tube says:
Music
"I'll Close My Eyes" by Blue Mitchell (Google Play • iTunes)
Artist
Blue Mitchell
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Hugh Anderson Veteran Member
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Posts: 398
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Sergey, sometimes the obvious get by me.
Hugh |
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saxophonist56 Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Apr 2013 Posts: 193 Location: ca
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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i'm looking at a 38b that's E27807 sn is it really a 38b? what year was that? 65? |
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Greenleaf Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 536
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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saxophonist56 wrote: | i'm looking at a 38b that's E27807 sn is it really a 38b? what year was that? 65? |
Really is . . .
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2827 Location: Littleton, MA
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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plp wrote: | Are the valves on your 8B bottom or top sprung?
I purchased a 60B about two years ago, stopped my collecting bug dead in it's tracks. With three Stork mouthpieces in various configurations, can do anything and everything I need.
The thing that stood out about this trumpet are the valves, far and away the best I've ever used. They are light years away from the old Soviet Industrial Design valves of pretty much all Conns prior to them, super light and responsive. I figured, OK, Conn took a page from everyone else and went with monel Bach copies. Not so, stainless steel (as best I can tell) over maybe aluminum????
Whatever they are, it was too little too late to save the true Conn company. I'm not going to dispute some good things came later, but my personal experience with Abilene horns has not led me to believe it. |
Your 60B is what is commonly referred to as a Super Connstellation. I remember Tim Morrison played a silver plated 60B in the Boston Pops in the early 1990's and sounded terrific (of course, he's Tim Morrison).
As for the heavy valve action associated with Conn 36B Connstelations, we're doing something to address that. We currently have an Abilene 36B for service and our solution is to "put the valves on a diet". The average weight of the moving piston, stem and button is 54 grams. The removable button and stem represent 18.8 grams of that total. By fabricating new stems out of aluminium and substituting the finger buttons with a lighter button we expect to get the moving parts closer to 40 grams. Keeping in mind the average Bach piston's moving parts are 42.5 grams. The result is a valve action that feels more like what most trumpet players are accustomed to. Stay tuned for an update of this story when this project is completed. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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prunenoveggie Regular Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2014 Posts: 58 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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James Becker wrote: | As for the heavy valve action associated with Conn 36B Connstelations, we're doing something to address that. We currently have an Abilene 36B for service and our solution is to "put the valves on a diet". The average weight of the moving piston, stem and button is 54 grams. The removable button and stem represent 18.8 grams of that total. By fabricating new stems out of aluminium and substituting the finger buttons with a lighter button we expect to get the moving parts closer to 40 grams. Keeping in mind the average Bach piston's moving parts are 42.5 grams. The result is a valve action that feels more like what most trumpet players are accustomed to. Stay tuned for an update of this story when this project is completed. |
James -
Do you know if this would apply to the 28B as well? I believe it has different valves, but I wouldn't mind having them spring up a bit faster... |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2827 Location: Littleton, MA
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: |
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prunenoveggie wrote: |
James -
Do you know if this would apply to the 28B as well? I believe it has different valves, but I wouldn't mind having them spring up a bit faster... |
We have the ability to make custom light weight stems from aluminium for just about any trumpet. Unfortunately I haven't access to a Conn 22B at the moment, but if you could send us a sample stem and button we'd be able to measure them and make you a set of light stems and find a suitable set of lighter buttons for your Conn 22B. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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