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onlyson Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 229 Location: Bartlett, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:53 am Post subject: A BETTER 3C? |
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So the horn safari is over (for now) and I've gone through a bunch. Bach Strad,6310Z,Olds Recording, Lawler C7, Callet Sima, Yamaha NY, Martin Committee, Wild Thing, Benge 3X, Schilke Handcraft, Getzen Severinsen, Bach 43, Edwards, Schilke S32HD. I've finally settled on a Yamaha LA, and a Yamaha Chicago.
I believe every horn has a special relationship with it's mouthpiece, so the mouthpiece safari began shortly after I acquired the new horns. I thought I would present my impressions on a couple of pieces that maybe haven't seen a lot of press here on TH.
I was a Bach 1 1/2C guy through my high school and army playing days, and played mostly a Shew Jazz through my comeback years. Lately there are a ton of 3C clones on the market (like the Shew Jazz) and I wanted to share some of my impressions on some pieces that I've discovered.
Schilke 14C2-Phil at Schilke described this as the "Vacchiano" model when I visited the shop. This thing is HUGE. But a really great sound for jazz. You'd have to be a beast to play all night on this deep cup and sharp bite, but for a solo or two it's the best I've discovered.
Wick American Classic 3C-This was my go to piece the last couple of years before I discovered my favorites further down this list. Comfortable rim, a nice dark sound with soft attacks, probably also an excellent choice for small group work that won't break the bank.
Wick Ultra 3C-Many of us probably settle on pieces that are readily available in our area. With a Wick dealer close to home, I've explored most of their line up. This piece is similar to the American Classic but with more brilliance and sharper attacks. Very firm slotting as well. Great for legit.
Bach Artisan 3C-One of my two favorites. Pricey. Combined with my Yammie LA it makes a great commercial piece. Shallower than a standard Bach 3C it helps in the upper register, yet still has a beautiful dark singing tone down low. A very comfortable rounded rim, though a bit out of the ordinary.
Austin Custom Brass MV3C-My other favorite. Bought this when visiting Trent this past summer. Didn't have the opportunity to play it much while there as my wife and friends were with me. Felt obligated to purchase "something" while there as Trent was so gracious in showing me around and telling stories. But I'm really happy I pulled the trigger as the honeymoon won't end any time soon. Just a great all around piece. Dark when soft, brilliant when pushed, comfortable, precise. I'm using it with my Yammie Chicago on legit stuff. Maybe a tad too big to help upstairs for me though.
Perhaps you guys could chime in with other 3C's you've discovered lately. Thanks much. _________________ Del Quadro Grizzly
Yamaha 9335CH
1951 Martin Committee Deluxe #3 Bore
Couesnon Flugel
Carol Pocket Trumpet |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9385 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I played on an older Bach 3C for many years, but never really liked my tone on it. About 3 years ago I bought a Curry 3C. and it was instantly better. I actually used it on a gig the day I received it in the mail. Nice rich sound, very comfortable rim, great intonation, and easy to play throughout my range. It works well on just about any trumpet I own, including the higher-pitched ones like C and Eb/D. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I have a few in the neighbourhood.
Corp(little dot) 3C trumpet piece, Corp (no dot) Cornet piece. These are good, but not magical (for me) - the trumpet piece is noticeably deeper, but still not a deep piece.
Curry 3C and 3B (modular parts) - of the two I prefer the 3B - these are really good pieces... I would still include the 3B in this list for two reasons - firstly, it's described (justly, I feel) as a "deeper" version of the C cup; secondly...
Warburton "Arturo" (copy of Arturo's Mt.V 3c) looks, feels and plays much more like the 3B Curry than the 3C Curry. The rim is a touch narrower and not quite as flat as the Curry, one of the most comfortable rims I've ever encountered - really, really good piece. |
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Fluegel-Boy Regular Member
Joined: 09 May 2013 Posts: 40 Location: Churchville, United States
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:20 am Post subject: |
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+1 on the Curry 3C
Also love Trent's MV3C! |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9831 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Second best 3C I've ever played is the Curry 3C. mouthpiece.
The best 3C I've ever played (and it's the one I've been playing for several years now) is the copy of Arturo Sandoval's favorite Mt Vernon 3C (the one he performs and practices on) that Jim New made me when he was still with Kanstul.
I am still kicking myself for not having Jim make me a second one as a backup while he still could.
Not incidentally, the Curry 3C. measures very closely to the Arturo Mt Vernon 3C - it's just a tad shallower than Arturo's mouthpiece.
(Click on the image to open it up full-size in a separate window).
Note that the outer rim diameter only looks bigger on the Arturo piece because of the more rounded outside edge of the Mt Vernon mouthpiece blank. Where the lips actually touch and feel the rims, they're about the same diameter. If anything, the Curry piece might feel like it's outside rim diameter is larger due to the fact that its outer rim contour doesn't start dropping down as soon.
Best wishes,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
1st Trpt for Cats, Phantom of the Opera, West Side Story, Evita, Hunchback of Notre Dame,
Grease, The Producers, Addams Family, In the Heights, etc.
Ex LA Studio Musician
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:43 am Post subject: |
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All Curry pieces: Code: | 3C. 95% of my playing
3* aka 3Star, for demanding big band or musicals
3C.-24/24 24 throat/24 backbore, for C trumpet and Eb/D
3M rarely used, does't work as well as the 3* for me
3TF For times when I'm not willing to bring the flugel along
3BC rarely used now that I have the 3C-24/24
3B rarely used.
3BBC Cornet preferred piece.
3FLD Flugel
3P picc
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The beauty is they all feel almost identical on the chops thanks to the common 3 rim.
The only exception is a Flip Oakes XO "spinning vortex of death" flugel piece I sometimes use when I want a really distinct flugel sound, also made by Mark Curry.
I got nervous when Mark's equipment went down a while back about not being able to get a replacement if needed, so I now have three copies of the 3C., two in his standard blank, and one in his Bach blank. One of the standard ones is still in the original plastic bag, 'just in case'. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9385 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: | ...Curry 3C and 3B (modular parts) - of the two I prefer the 3B - these are really good pieces... I would still include the 3B in this list for two reasons - firstly, it's described (justly, I feel) as a "deeper" version of the C cup;... |
Yes, the first Curry trumpet mouthpiece I ever bought (I already had a Curry 3BBC. cornet mouthpiece) was a 3B., because I wanted a deeper Bach 3C, not a totally different mouthpiece like the Bach 3B is. The Curry 3B. was so good, I gave his 3C. a try and it's become my main do-everything trumpet mouthpiece. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 2368 Location: SF Bay Area
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telebuck Regular Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2014 Posts: 30 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I went on a bit of a 3C safari over the past year, including a modern Bach 3C, Shew Jazz, Artisan 3C, the Curry 3C. pieces. I also experimented with some that are advertised as being similar to the 3C with a bit of help for big band/commerical appications (Reeves 42/M, GR 66M).
All are nice pieces, but so far, the Curry 3C. is the hands down winner for me. Use it with a Bach Artisan Bb and Yamaha 8310z Bb. _________________ Bach Artisan AB190
Yamaha Shew 8310Z
1927 Conn 2b New World Symphony |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 1298 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Add the Warburton 4MD or 3MD to the list. The cup shape lines up almost perfectly with the Curry 3C, but of course the rim contour is a little different.
The 4MD inner diameter feels on the small side of 3C, and 3MD feels on the larger side of 3C.
And now that you can get a Curry #10 backbore through Mouthpiece Express, you can get a more Bach-like sound from the Warburton top. This is what I am trying right now. So far so good.
I hope this is helpful. _________________ Justin Dickson
Middle school band director. Still learning.
www.BandmateTuner.com |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 3835 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Purviance 9A is one of the easiest 3C i ever play , the sound quality is superb maby the most desireble bbore in the market and the rim simply the best out there , give a try it worth every penny.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9831 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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giakara wrote: | Purviance 9A is one of the easiest 3C i ever play , the sound quality is superb maby the most desireble bbore in the market and the rim simply the best out there , give a try it worth every penny.
Regards |
How would you compare cups size/shape/depth of the Purviance 9A (also known as the 5*3) to the Reeves 43C? Are the rims identical? And how does the Purviance 9 (aka 4*3) compare to the Reeves mouthpieces? |
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Never tried the Greg Black 3C, but I used to own
a 3M which was VERY nice.
Also used to play a Laskey 65MC for years which
is a copy of a Mt. Vernon |
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cbclead Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Another vote for the Reeves Classical Series 3C. It's a very comfortable mouthpiece that responds well in all registers. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z
Stomvi Maurice Andre C
Kanstul 1025 Bb Flugel
Kanstul 920 Bb/A Piccolo Trumpet |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: A BETTER 3C? |
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onlyson wrote: | I've finally settled on a Yamaha LA, and a Yamaha Chicago. | Nice choice on the Chicago!
onlyson wrote: |
Schilke 14C2 |
I started on that as a beginner. Was performing A above high C on it (into an Olds Recording cornet) in my 3rd year.
onlyson wrote: |
Perhaps you guys could chime in with other 3C's you've discovered lately. Thanks much. |
Stomvi's are well worth checking out. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yamahaguy wrote: | Never tried the Greg Black 3C, but I used to own
a 3M which was VERY nice. |
Greg's M cup is GREAT upstairs. His C cup is also great, but miles apart from his M cup. Deeper than a Bach 3C for sure. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: |
How would you compare cups size/shape/depth of the Purviance 9A (also known as the 5*3) to the Reeves 43C? Are the rims identical? And how does the Purviance 9 (aka 4*3) compare to the Reeves mouthpieces? |
FWIW, those are the 2 mpcs Bill Adam played. Man did he sound great on them!! |
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2002 Posts: 1204 Location: Toronto, Canada
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: |
The best 3C I've ever played (and it's the one I've been playing for several years now) is the copy of Arturo Sandoval's favorite Mt Vernon 3C (the one he performs and practices on) |
One of the best to ever grace the instrument!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1r4fpTDIkQ (For the uninitiated, skip to 10:00 for "the good stuff")
Respect. Sound. Reverence. - Straight from Uan |
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