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ejweiss Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: What verse do you typically play a descant on? |
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Say there are 4 verses of a Lutheran hymn. I sometimes play descant on 3, but usually on 4. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Melody first, harmony second, tacet (rest) third, descant fourth.
YMMV - Don _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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DH Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I've usually done melody on 1 and 2, descant on 4
If 3 verses, melody on 1, descant on 3
If 5 verses, melody on 1, 3 and descant on 5
If 6 verses, melody on 1, 2 and 4, descant on 6
I followed this formula so I could tell which verse it was. I was in the balcony and couldn't hear the actual words from below. |
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | Melody first, harmony second, tacet (rest) third, descant fourth.
YMMV - Don |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:12 am Post subject: |
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DH wrote: | I've usually done melody on 1 and 2, descant on 4
If 3 verses, melody on 1, descant on 3
If 5 verses, melody on 1, 3 and descant on 5
If 6 verses, melody on 1, 2 and 4, descant on 6
I followed this formula so I could tell which verse it was. I was in the balcony and couldn't hear the actual words from below. |
+1...sometimes I'd play the chorus on 2/4, but if it was a long service, I'd do the above. 6 verses can be taxing on 7-8 communion hymns. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
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deleted_user_48e5f31 New Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:59 am Post subject: Hymn verses |
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I play whenever the MD tells me too!
Most of the time it is on last verse though... |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Last verse. No interpretative movement on the verses you don't play...lol _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:30 am Post subject: |
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My MD is pretty specific. The problem for us is keeping straight the roadmap for the different services. Early services are always shorter, with fewer verses. And while he usually adds verses for the later service, sometimes things don't go as planned. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Hymn verses |
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dfcoleman wrote: | On the verses that I tacet, I perform a free-form interpretive dance, usually wearing a spandex body suit and some type of exotic hat. Many parishioners find this off-putting from a man is his late 50s, but I gotta be me.
Needless to say, I don’t get a lot of repeat gigs. |
Heh-heh. I take it that the customary admonition "Your mileage may vary" (or "YMMV") applies here too. |
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deleted_user_48e5f31 New Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:14 pm Post subject: Oops! |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Oops! |
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dfcoleman wrote: | My apologies: I just noticed the OP referenced LUTHERAN hymns. I generally omit the exotic hat for those gigs. |
I'm sure I'm one among many who will rest easier thanks to your clarification! |
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Derek Reaban Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Oops! |
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dfcoleman wrote: | My apologies: I just noticed the OP referenced LUTHERAN hymns. I generally omit the exotic hat for those gigs. |
Now that the hat is gone, all I can picture is that great scene from the Pink Panther with Steve Martin as a backup dancer for Beyonce!
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:21 am Post subject: Re: What verse do you typically play a descant on? |
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ejweiss wrote: | Say there are 4 verses of a Lutheran hymn. I sometimes play descant on 3, but usually on 4. |
In a case like that, I'll usually play melody on 1, tacit on 2, simple descant on 3 and a more celebratory descant on 4. I try to develop descants in a call-and-response format so it sounds like a back-and-forth conversation between the hymn melody and the descant with overlapping phrases. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:22 am Post subject: |
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It depends on the purpose of the music, and what else is going-on at the time.
1) if accompanying hymns or a choir, the music should not intrude on the singing (use the correct tempo and phrasing). During the non-singing portions it should 'work with' the style of the singing.
2) for processional music, it shouldn't distract from the meaning or participants of the procession.
3) if the music is for entertainment (versus devotional), then just use good taste.
Similar with TAPS at a funeral or commemorative service, it should not standout as music - it's purpose is to enhance the larger purpose - it is ceremonial, not entertainment.
In some situations, the organizer of the event might not really think about the details of the music - they just think it would be 'neat' to have a live group. It's the responsibility of the musicians to make a positive contribution to the purpose and quality of the event. Not just as a 'performance'.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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