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is the 6310z a schilke B1 clone |
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yammysammy Regular Member
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 56 Location: south east england
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: is the yamaha 6310z a schilke B1 clone? |
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the other day when looking at my freinds schilke B1 i noticed is looked almost exactly the same as my 6310z
it played very similar aswell
after a long conversation we discovered that they both use step bores aswell
did yamaha and bobby shew just steal the idea for the horn from the schilke B1 ?????? |
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B_Starry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 903 Location: Lake Norman
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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No, it (6310Z) is based on the B6.
They play differently, in my opinion: the B1 is "WAY" bigger. More "diffuse" sound.
- Brian _________________ do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God |
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NiViBri Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 876 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: Re: is the yamaha 6310z a schilke B1 clone? |
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yammysammy wrote: | the other day when looking at my freinds schilke B1 i noticed is looked almost exactly the same as my 6310z
it played very similar aswell
after a long conversation we discovered that they both use step bores aswell
did yamaha and bobby shew just steal the idea for the horn from the schilke B1 ?????? |
Yammysammy,
NO. It's a B6. BUT the word STEALdoesn't apply when Schilke designed for Yam and "Transfered his patent" to Yamaha, designed their manufacturing etc. way back in the 60s. You should find LOTS of "similarities" between the two as there probably wouldn't BE Yamaha without Schilke!
Here's the info.
www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/Biography%20and%20Background.html
Victor _________________ Victor Burguess
Studied with George Zahn, Al Dipetro, Rolf Smedvig, Peter Chapman, Armando Ghitalla, Roger Voisin, Ramone Parcells. |
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AverageJoe Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 May 2002 Posts: 4116 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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The idea for a step bore horn is not unique to Schilke (I think some of the old Conn models were step-bore as well), but since the old Yamahas were designed by Ren, the comparison does make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.
You could call the Z horns the "red-headed step-monster" of the B6, but it is actually a direct descendent of the old Yamaha 6310B (the horn Shew played on before teaming with Malone on the Z). The difference is the large bore tuning slide and the leadpipe (a completely unique design developed by Shew and Malone).
Paul Poovey _________________ "Every time I hear you play, you sound better than the next..."
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Tootsall Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I sometimes play a B1 in band. I sit beside a guy who plays a 6310Z. They are NOT the same. |
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yammysammy Regular Member
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 56 Location: south east england
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for your replies and im not willing to eat my words
im really impressed with the knowledge of members of this forum as i had no ideas about the schilke yamaha connections
hence why i was confused as bobby used to play callicchio before the yamahas
thnks for the help guys!!! |
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Pete Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 1739 Location: Western Massachusetts
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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The 6310/8310Z is designed somewhat after the B6. I do believe that the old Martin Committee may have been the original concept copy for both. I had a B1 for a while. The 6310Z and the B1 are not even close to the same. The 8310Z and the B6 do play fairly close though.
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_dcstep Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 6324 Location: Denver
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that the Z has much similarity to the B6; however, the bell flare on the Z is much faster, making the Z freer blowing and broader sounding, with the B6 more focused. The bell is closer to a B1 while the leadpipe and body are closer to a B6, IMHO. All three are wonderful trumpets, each suiting slightly different player tastes.
Dave _________________ Schilke '60 B1 -- 229 Bach-C/19-350 Blackburn -- Lawler TL Cornet -- Conn V1 Flugel -- Stomvi Master Bb/A/G picc -- GR mpcs
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bandman322 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I have owned both a B6 and a 6310ZS and I'll tell you the Schilke out played the Yamaha 10:1. The Yamaha was for me a great little Pea Shooter that worked well at the end of a gig when I got tired and needed to move to a smaller horn at the last hour of the job.
I sold the B6 to a former student who is now a pro player and I would pay him more than he paid me if I could have that same horn back! _________________ C - Harrelson 750 Modified Bach Strad
Picc - Schilke P5-4
Flugel - Kanstul ZKF1525
Bb - Bach Strad 180ML-37
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2358 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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_dcstep wrote: | The bell is closer to a B1 while the leadpipe and body are closer to a B6, IMHO. |
You've just described a Schilke B7. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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Upstatetpt Veteran Member
Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 343 Location: Up-State
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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nieuwguyski wrote: |
You've just described a Schilke B7. |
I was just going to say that! The Yamaha Z horn is modeled closer to the B7 - which is a B6 with a bigger bell. |
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_dcstep Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 6324 Location: Denver
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Upstatetpt wrote: | nieuwguyski wrote: |
You've just described a Schilke B7. |
I was just going to say that! The Yamaha Z horn is modeled closer to the B7 - which is a B6 with a bigger bell. |
Except, the leadpipe on the Z is way tighter than on the Schilke, allowing (requiring) the player to back off on the air to really play it well. People that adjust to the Z will likely prefer it to the Schilke and people that don't adjust to it will likely prefer the Schilke. I think they're equivalent trumpets, just for different playing styles.
Dave _________________ Schilke '60 B1 -- 229 Bach-C/19-350 Blackburn -- Lawler TL Cornet -- Conn V1 Flugel -- Stomvi Master Bb/A/G picc -- GR mpcs
[url=http://www.pitpops.com] The PitPops[/url]
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Tom LeCompte Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Tootsall wrote: | I sometimes play a B1 in band. I sit beside a guy who plays a 6310Z. They are NOT the same. |
I agree. I won a B1, and have played an 6310Z and can't think of two trumpets that play more differently. |
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