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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: Lyrical Studies |
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Hey!
One of my favorite books to use - especially after a bit of a layoff from the horn - is the Concone Lyrical Studies. I started using them in 10th grade, and they're still my favorites. I bought a cheap used copy of his vocal studies, but I haven't delved into them yet.
Has anyone tried the "Complete Solfeggio" that I found on a publisher website? I also noticed that the original book (for trumpet that is) now has a CD and is naturally more expensive. I thought I'd have to buy it when I misplaced my copy, but fortunately, it turned up again.
Anyone have any other suggestions for good lyrical studies? I have the Bordigoni, as well. Nice, but not as easy and good for warm-ups. Sometimes, I play out of the Rochut trombone book - which has some nice easier ones.
I'd also like to find some ones without a lot of range or complex melody to use with my younger students as flow studies and melodic etudes. The first couple in Concone are good, but they get a bit beyond what my younger students can do quickly, and there isn't enough of that kind of material in most of the lesson books.
Any comments and/or suggestions are welcome! _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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Adam V Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Charlier's "36 Etudes Transcendantes" _________________ 1970 Bach 37 Strad
Yamaha 635 flugel
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dhbailey Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Posts: 52 Location: Nashua, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I bought the Complete Solfeggi published by Balquhidder and I play out of it every day. The accompaniments are included on the CD in PDF format so you can print them out if you wish as well as in SmartMusic format so you can have them play on your computer. I had thought about doing such a project myself (minus the smartmusic files) and had bought a couple of the original Concone books but hadn't started when I found this published version and I love it.
The exercises which are in common with the Brass Press (BIM) publication aren't in the same key, which makes for interesting comparison (Concone's originals are published in different keys, one for high voice and one for low voice).
If you do buy the Balquhidder edition, take it to a local copy shop or Kinkos and have them cut the binding off and install a coil binding -- it makes it so much easier to use. _________________ *****
David H. Bailey
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SandyJack2008 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 138 Location: New Jersey, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Don Batchelder always prescribed "Giuseppe Concone - The Complete Solfeggi, Transcribed and Edited for Trumpet by John Korak", published by Balquhidder. He would always have my son play a selection as part of/right after his warm up routine.
The Robert Getchell books "First book of Practical Studies for Cornet and Trumpet", and the "Second Book.....", have good beginner to intermediate etudes. My son started out on these with Don. |
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Roy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Phil Collins has a great book called "in the singing style". Eventually all of my students use it.
Roy Griffin |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Bordogni
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Arban _________________ Bill Bergren |
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paulabbott Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I second the Phil Snedecor book. Got it in college and still use it. |
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oliver king Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Another voice for Charlier
Bicchiere Advanced Air Flow Studies
Legato Etudes for Trumpet (ased on Concone's Vocalises) By J.R. Shoemaker
The Getchell Books as well (these are really flexible I will take one and take it up in half steps to get my ear working. |
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wvtrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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paulabbott wrote: | I second the Phil Snedecor book. Got it in college and still use it. |
I third it...Great book! _________________ Freelance Performer/Teacher WV, PA, MD, and OH http://www.neil-king.com
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swthiel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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John Korak also published Bel Canto Studies For Trumpet, which is a nice collection of lyrical material. _________________ Steve Thiel |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the thoughts! They're very interesting.
I do have the Charlier, of course, but those are a bit difficult. It's not always what I'm looking for when I'm getting in shape or warming up. I didn't really specify that as a thought, though - not that I would have. I'm curious to hear about all of these.
I also have the Getchell from years ago. I might even have both volumes, but at least one. I'll have to open those up again. It's easy to get stuck with a certain set of material.
The Collins, Snedecor, Korak, and the others sound interesting. I'll have to look at those when I venture down to the local music emporium. I think they might even have the bigger Concone, too, so I can check that out.
Feel free to keep them coming! _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
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Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
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SandyJack2008 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 138 Location: New Jersey, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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A great intermediate to advanced book is "Sigmund Hering Thirty-two Etudes for Trumpet or Cornet" published by Carl Fischer.
Another good one at a more advanced level are the "BOUSQUET 36 CELEBRATED STUDIES TRUMPET" which can be found at the back of the St. Jacome book or you can buy them as a separate book.
My son has used both of these during his studies with Mr. Batchelder. |
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swthiel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:58 am Post subject: |
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SandyJack2008 wrote: | A great intermediate to advanced book is "Sigmund Hering Thirty-two Etudes for Trumpet or Cornet" published by Carl Fischer.
Another good one at a more advanced level are the "BOUSQUET 36 CELEBRATED STUDIES TRUMPET" which can be found at the back of the St. Jacome book or you can buy them as a separate book.
My son has used both of these during his studies with Mr. Batchelder. |
I've used the Bousquet a lotl I really like it, but I don't think I'd call them lyrical etudes. For those who are interested in the Bousquet, check the back of the St. Jacome method, they're included there. _________________ Steve Thiel |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Snedecor- wish he'd write a sequel. The Arban Art of Phrasing section is also terrific if you will take the time to play them as a trained singer would have sung them in the operatic (usually) settings. Always interesting to be playing through some of these with students in the college studio and have the voice people comment later on what they're hearing through the door. All these are great to experiment with dynamics, articulation, phrasing and a general rubato feel and style. Most of us ditched all that in the race for technique years ago. |
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swthiel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Ack! I can't believe I forgot about the "Art of Phrasing" material in the Arban book. Good points, Craig. _________________ Steve Thiel |
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ltkije1966 Heavyweight Member
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Roy wrote: | Phil Collins has a great book called "in the singing style". Eventually all of my students use it.
Roy Griffin |
An emphatic second! _________________ Scott Kuehn |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | All these are great to experiment with dynamics, articulation, phrasing and a general rubato feel and style. Most of us ditched all that in the race for technique years ago. |
Weird, I was never one of those. There have been a few times when my technique has been lacking, but I've always worked on the lyrical stuff. One should spend time on the gaps in one's playing, but I guess it never hurts to burnish the strengths, either. Thanks for the suggestions! _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
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Jay Lichtmann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Bordogni Vocalises at the bottom of this page:
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/LICHTMANN/tptmidi.html _________________ In his retirement he had become that most dreaded of former athletes, the one who always remembered how much harder it was in his day "when ships were made of wood and men were made of steel."
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terpfan0512 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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A couple of new publications that are very worthwhile are:
1) Lyrical Studies- available from Charles Colin Music ($6.95)- adapted from Bower Murphy's Pro Etudes by A. Colin. This is a terrific group of short studies that are suitable for intermediate to advanced players. This collection provides very good sight reading material, as well.
2) Trumpet Solfeggio - by John Blount - available from Charles Colin Music ($12.50).This is a complete daily trumpet routine which addresses all aspects of trumpet playing (flexibility, strength, technique, flow studies, singing scales, etc) with emphasis on playing in a singing style. The book concludes with a collection of adapted Concone studies. |
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BobList Heavyweight Member
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