How come their are no hero's int he trumpet designing world?

CHAMP · Veteran Member Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 127

blah blah blah...this thread was fun until morris started up...

Shaft · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 995

Wow now everything is converging for some real fireworks this week!
_________________
🎺 1st Gen. Gold Wild Thing
🎺 Benge 3X+
🎺 ‘58 Conn 6B Victor
Curry JMZ14

jadickson · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject:

please end this thread and ban the drama queens

butxifxnot · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 2353

Scorpion · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject:

razeontherock · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject:

Which brings us full circle:

2 more trumpet design heros - Jerome Callet and Jason Harrelson.

Wayne Tannabe, also, too.

Retlaw · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:52 am Post subject:

Beware the "interior monologue"......... and of course the self-possessed.

Perhaps a little poetry to "lighten" the mood....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3vDMtzS7KI&feature=related

The challenge is of course to listen all the way through and then bring something positive to the table and not sink to the depths.

Walter

regularsopguy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 577

veery715 · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject:

Oy! I give up. Sorry about my bad manners and for being critical. It's obvious I don't know which end of the thingie to put to my mouth and which end to...oh yeah, sorry.

My heros: F.E. Olds (my recording), Roy Lawler (my LawlerBb), Bobby DeNicola (my Puje), Zig Kanstul (my 1525), Felix Vayser & Gary Stoner (my Stage 1 Cal C), Nick Drozdoff - de-mystifier of trumpet physics, Dave Monette, Gary Radke, Mark Curry, Denis Wick,...

veery

Don Miles · Regular Member Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 89

oliver king · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1742

I dunno Don ... there are a few trumpet makers and a goodly number of teachers I swear are super heros cape and tights or not. There are a few teachers I'd like to see in tights and a mask maybe ... but that is different.
I've not yet played one of your horns Don, but I look forward to an opportunity.

Zig Kanstul, Dick Akright, Terry Warburton, Josh Landress, Chuck Alexander, Fred Powell, Dave Monette are all names that ring out in my world. Ours is a pretty small community and there are folks we recognize that the average person would not.

IRT Capt irk ... he is a special case and I think as a community we have the choice of validating his ramblings with comment OR ignore him. It's like looking at a train wreck or barnyard pal videos. You know you shouldn't look but cannot turn away. There have been a good number of threads he's started that have generated lively conversation. There is a greater number of threads that turn into a flamming, bashing mashup. We've choices, we are not trombone players.
_________________
LB Bel Canto #59
Holton B47
Frankenhorn projects 1-5
Adams F1
Olds Super Tenor Trombone
Alesis QS8
B2MS3, B2GS3,

Sneklof · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:44 am Post subject:

Once you've played some Don Miles trumpets, you'll have a higher bar for your superheros. Don is a saint who builds trumpets with the highest perfection and integrity. I believe he makes all the parts from scratch except the corks and springs. He even made custom tools to make the parts. Don't be deceived by the lack of show in his shop, the depth of his talent is staggering. Because he does it all himself, you won't find high serial numbers... more like #015, #016, etc. These instruments will be in high demand once players experience the difference. You'd be wise to get one while you can.

JasonHarrelson · Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject:

To answer the original question, "cold hard facts" do not necessarily agree with the human condition. Like anything relating to individual people, there is no formula that ensures consistent results. Why are there hundreds of models of cars, thousands of models of shoes and a gazillion mouthpiece sizes? Because everyone is different. There will never be a person that publishes the "answers" to trumpet players' questions as each answer is subjective to the individual.

Now if you're looking for a specific solution for a specific player in a range of genres, then you have a few dozen talented individuals with whom you may consult and likely receive excellent results. But that will cost you money, time, energy and possibly travel expenses. Consulting with individual players on equipment, technique, acoustics, style, or whatever is very time-consuming and thus expensive. Or at least seemingly expensive, depending on how you quantify your time, money and results.

However, if you do the math, purchasing a Bravura for $3695 (this is my biased example, but substitute any handmade custom horn), adding several hours consultation and personal research time and travel expenses and you're close to $4000. Compare this with purchasing a new Bach, Yamaha or Schilke from a local music store for $2000 where you invest 1-2 hours time working with a knowledgeable professional sales rep. The range of options available in the mass market horns is very minimal, maybe around 10-15 possibilities between everything offered and much confusion in the process. You will spend roughly twice as much for the custom horn and depending on the model as much as 5 or 6 times as much!

So what do you get for double your money?

In most cases:
- professional, reliable advice from the designer and builder of the instrument
- a narrowed personalized choice of suitable options from the thousands of possible component combinations
- a personal guarantee
- advice and perspective on your specific goals as a musician in your particular genre(s)
- long list of custom options not available in mass manufacturing
- wait time because Americans are taking there time to carefully build your trumpet as specified
- greatly improved efficiency by design which by itself is worth the added cost in saved time, energy and missed notes over a standard manufactured design based on century-old physics principles that have been proven to be considerably less effective
- and you get to test your patience as (at least in my shop) we usually have around 50 orders on our shop list and only 5 employees to perform all the necessary manufacturing, assembly, phone calls and emails. Yes, it takes a lot of time and we will not always have time to chat on the phone every few days....patience

I believe it is important to make the process of choosing equipment straight forward and simple. However, the variables are complex and infinite. Why did Bach produce 4 basic models (25, 37, 43, 72) for so many years? Mass manufacturing requires limited and finite variables to be effective and profitable. Are there really only 4 types of players/genres? Obviously not. Support your smaller shops and manufacturers and you will see a proliferation of service, expertise and quality competition take the place of the status quo over time.

It will be the consumers (you trumpet players) who determine the available products, options, quality and overall effectiveness in a musical setting as you vote with your wallet. Buy mass manufactured China trumpets and your list of "heroes" will surely diminish in the coming years.

Jason Harrelson
_________________
Harrelson Trumpets
www.whyharrelson.com

Ed Lee · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

What do you want your trumpet/cornet or other horn to do that it doesn't now do? I'm not seeking one that plays all by itself, that is for sure. The same rule applys to many other objects also. Yeah, the hammer that drives a nail with the push of a button is very nice for a carpenter but there are extreme limits to what music such a hammer would make on a marimba ... vis the marimba would be destroyed and its music gone forever.

Ed Lee · Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

Any trumpeter (or other horn player) ready for a 7 valve horn? In musical theory it sounds feasible and in mechanics it seems possible IMHO. How about a variable dimension leadpipe, mechanically more difficult, but not impossible ... even adjustable to reverse. The one element I like most is a free floating bell (such as is not hampered by solid braces but actually is supported by another method). Multiple bells ??? The one I think has already been done but has disappeared is a double screw main tuning adjustment ... a cam is another possibility. The crux or conundrum of innovation in this context is added weight.

etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6200

Captain,

But there are many, real, hidden and self-proclaimed ones included.

leadchops10 · Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject:

There is though. lol His name is David Monette.

MisterE · Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject:

I thought that new Schagerl horn that James Morrison had was pretty innovative for sure. I think Bob Malone is definitely top notch as well- his low rider Eb coversions especially. Do you think a Flumpet or a Raja Samadhi are just pedestrian variations on the same, tired theme? They all have some proprietary "secrets" (for lack of a better term) that makes them unique. Perhaps they just don't feel like sharing. Might hurt business, who knows? Just my opinion. But remember the old saying about opinions..... strong ones even more so.

MisterE · Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: