Lead setup vs. Legit setup

mfan · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:10 am Post subject:

I am currently playing the mouthpiece game. When I discussed this with my teacher here in the northern VA area he suggested playing multiple pieces with the same rims for different applications. Or even better just picking one and using it for everything.

He uses a Schilke 13a4a for everything. He played a characteristic study out of the back of the Arban for me, then pasted my hair back with some double G's, then started playing excerpts from the Haydn, Hummel, and back to lead. He used to play trumpet solos with the Army concert band in the afternoons, and go play lead for the Army Blues at night, all with the same set-up. So here's my point, he suggested finding a piece that works for you and playing only that. How many of you guys only use one piece? Is this guy just a freak or what?
-Collin

[ This Message was edited by: mfan on 2003-09-21 17:37 ]

maynard-46 · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:35 am Post subject:

Warburton Goldplated 6ESV top FOR EVERYTHING. However...sometimes (but very rarely) I change BB's.

Butch Warnke
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bkmdano · Veteran Member Joined: 31 Oct 2002 Posts: 328

I pretty much stay with the Warburton 4mc/7*. I think it is a very middle of the road set up. Every once in a while I'll change to a 4m with either the KT or 8* back bore depending on how the chops feel. There is not a great deal of difference in the size but it is just enough to get through when I'm not feeling at my peek.
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FlugelFlyer · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:27 pm Post subject:

I'm now at the point where I'm using two mouthpieces for everything and just not worrying about equipment anymore. I've found that if I practice my normal stuff with the 1-1/2C and switch to the JT7S for the more demanding upper register playing, like lead big band, salsa, or really high legit, I'm pretty much set.

DaveH · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Nov 2001 Posts: 3861

Well, your first sentence just about sums it up, IMO. "I am currently playing the mouthpiece game..." It's a game all right... Who will the winner be? The player or the mouthpiece makers?

trumpetmike · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:41 pm Post subject:

Sure;y the winner should be the audience.

Although I think you might be right about the makers!

Mean Liberal · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:12 pm Post subject:

I'm also in NoVA...who are you studying with?
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mfan · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:43 pm Post subject:

Point taken Dave H. I'm just trying to find a good legit piece that also has a nice lead version. So far I've been fortunate to get lots of free trials. I was curious though to see how many people, if any, actually use the same mpce for the legit and lead work.

Chaz, I have been studying with Dave Detwiler. Know of him? Send me an e-mail. walter5_28@yahoo.com Later.
-Collin

drunkiq · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject:

i do not - but my all my mouthpieces has the same front end - rim diameter, rim contour, rim bite, alpha angle and top cup - the seoncd cup, thorat and backbores are differnt..

check out my last 3-4 posts on this thread for my spin on it all - how to do a proper mpc safari:

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=10827&forum=6&start=30&43

-marc

E.D.Lewis · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:32 pm Post subject:

I used to use a Denis Wick 3C for everything. Then I started to experiment, trying to get a little more depth to my sound for orchestral playing, so I switched to a Bach 1 1/2C. I've been using that for a few years now and my sound is a little bigger. I use it for legit and small group jazz stuff, but find I need a little help - endurance wise - for big band or salsa stuff. I was searching for a long time but I think I've found my piece, a Reeves 42M. I would think a 13A4a too shallow and tight for orchestral playing, but sometimes a change in backbore can make a big difference in sound. For a versatile setup look into Warburton or the Kanstul mouthpiece system. Good luck.

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fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:45 pm Post subject:

The Warburton system might work for you. Have you tried out any of his mouthpieces?
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cujazztrpt · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:07 pm Post subject:

Myself only change mouthpieces depending on my mood and all my MPC have the same rim, Although I think if you can stay on one mouthpiece and play everthing from there it'll be better.
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trumpetguy99 · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:49 pm Post subject:

I've come to the conclusion that the rim size being the same is over emphasized. As your mouthpiece gets shallower it's going to feel different anyway. Find something smaller but that is still cofortable and that you can get a good sound on.

billybix76 · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:08 am Post subject:

I am in agreement with butch, I play a Kanstul (compatibale with warburton, but lots cheaper) copy of a NY Bach 3F with 41 BB. I will change out to a different BB for tonal color and once in a while pull out a 6a4a schilke for outrageous, obnoxious lead edge...but the sound desired should change the piece played if you do that kind of thing... not just the ease of playing.

jamie · Regular Member Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 77

i play on a yamaha 13a4a wich is pretty much the same as a shilkie 13a4a and i use it for all situations. i also have a bach 10c wich i was using before the 13a4a is what i perminatly use.

my teacher uses two mouth pieces one for just abuot everything and one for his upper register. he told me he was allowed beause he was old (72) and that i should play on one. he wasn't thrilled about me switiching to the 13a4a without him knowing

tradjazzman · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Nov 2002 Posts: 176

I also like playing only one mouthpiece. It's hard enough to get used to ONE.
But then I don't play much legit / concert/ stuff where I'd want a darker sound.
I however have never been that fortune to hear many guys play a 13A4A and play nice legit music. I don't know many (any) Symphoney players playing a shallow Jet Tone, etc . Although don't laugh I remember auditioning on one (a Jet Tone) 20 years ago. (ha,ha). No I didn't make it either. (another LOL).

When I was at the Naval School of Music (some years ago) all the Big Band players were playing them ( 13A4A's) and all (that I remember) had a pretty thin sound in the staff and lower. BUT I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, AND IM SURE YOUR TEACHER CAN DO IT. ( I wanted to put that in BOLD so you don't think I don't belive you). I don't want him plasting me with High G's!!

So for me a middle of the road mouthpiece seems to work. But we are all different. I know guys that can switch to a lead piece (smaller and shallower) and not have a problem. I'm 48, and have been playing for quite awhile, and tried that many times. I just could never get it to the point that I was comfortable with switching back and forth. So for me / just like your teacher "1" is enough. Usually the "1" is determined by what gigs/ type music you play the most.

Now if I can only settle on the right "1".

Good luck.

Ben