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Getzen
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Brad,
I don't think you had to delete you post. I don't want you to get that impression from me. In all honesty, I agree with your point. No apology was needed.
On a side note, the cases just came in today and I'm very impressed. They look great! Super protective, great quality, and they are light. Best of all, they are made in Minnesota. This is a match made in Upper Midwest heaven.
Brett Getzen
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Brad361
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| Getzen wrote: | Brad,
I don't think you had to delete you post. I don't want you to get that impression from me. In all honesty, I agree with your point. No apology was needed.
On a side note, the cases just came in today and I'm very impressed. They look great! Super protective, great quality, and they are light. Best of all, they are made in Minnesota. This is a match made in Upper Midwest heaven.
Brett Getzen |
Brett,
Not to belabor this, but in retrospect, my post may have come across as a bit persnickety, and that was not my intent. So all's well that ends well, right? 
On a side note to your side note: I've used a Torpedo for about five years, they ARE great. And, the other trumpet player in the band I play with uses an older Eterna, I'm considering trying a Getzen when I'm ready for another horn purchase. The Genesis has always looked like an especially interesting model.
Best of luck with your holiday promotion, from a transplanted (Chicago area....Waukegan to be exact) Midwesterner in Texas!
Brad361
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razeontherock
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| pfeifela wrote: | .....could I get a Torpedo bag with Kiku Collins in it and a poster with some shots of the Proteus  |
So Brett, have you worked out the details on this yet? |
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Getzen
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Capt.Kirk
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I thought it was tasteful and ok since it was not selling the product or being used too heavy as a marketing tool. Like someone else said if not here where? I will say this though it opens up the add to a lot of legitimate questions that he might not care to answer on a public forum?!
Living in Union country the name of the package rings or stinks depending on how you see it like Union Propaganda "Buy American" add copy.... I sure it is not meant to sound that way but that is how it comes off to me at least.
I love Getzens valve assemblies and I like a lot of their products I recommend the Proteus all the time and the 3051 all the time!!!! My main complaint would be price!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tired of the chocked retail market and the artificial limits on price that can be advertised. I am still waiting for Domestic's to offer me a high end product at the price point I can get CarolBrass at. I am still waiting for all the options and flexible custom ordering at the modest price point of CarolBrass. I am guessing I can not get this "All American" package for $1300 out the door like I could a CarolBrass 5200 in silver with their leather case???
No one would even consider paying 2x-3x as much for an outdated American Made rear projection TV over a modern LCD 1080P at 1/2-1/3 the price made in China. I think it is silly to expect the market to support higher prices just to get something made in America. This is not 1950's America or even 1980's America for that matter.
I do like the attempt at added value by kitting it out with the excellent case and the CD. It is a good idea and step in the right direction but it is too little too late at this point. A larger effort is going to be needed then this to reverse the market trend in new horn sales. Even if distributors kept buying at ever better price point at some point they have to be able to unload them. Even expanding into new markets will not be enough at this point with out a new business plan with modern marketing and revamped product line and catalog etc.....Too many beginning models and intermediate models competing with each other and in many case's the intermediate line is competing with your pro level horns.
I am guessing only guessing that Getzen is still on the bubble and still able to sell more then they can make especially in some models in silver aimed at H.S. Band students. It is not going to last forever!!! In the next 4 years you will see Jimmy Carter levels of inflation and your price for silver is going to get insane. Never mind gold what do you do when you can not afford to market a horn in silver? Anyone in the shop thought about that problem yet?
Again nice looking product, nice add layout, fantastic case to include!!! It is all the other stuff I have problems with!
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TrumpetMD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| chuck in ny wrote: | getzen makes good stuff and that's all there is to it.
very exciting brett and the best of luck.
..chuck |
Worth repeating.
I own 4 Getzen horns. Great instruments and a great company. I always appreciate Brett's posts and his participation here.
Mike
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chuck in ny
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kirk
i'm willing to go the extra freight for american made. street price on the 3051 is something near 2k and it makes me feel good to own american manufacture and have supported workers in our country. we can't abandon manufacturing. it's one of the things that make us, us.
buying trumpets isn't like a low income person going to the supermarket with coupons. there are important emotional and spiritual elements to the transaction. my two WT instruments have the ghost of foster reynolds running through their DNA and the spirit of zig kanstul and flip oakes in their brass.
never seen him but i guarantee you brett getzen isn't some huge fat dude with a cigar stuck in his mouth. live and let live. a getzen trumpet costs 2k to 3k for a very good reason. it's worth it.
would you like to have someone put your funding under the microscope and see how much more efficient and lean life could be?
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TrumpetMD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Capt.Kirk wrote: | | I love Getzens valve assemblies and I like a lot of their products I recommend the Proteus all the time and the 3051 all the time!!!! My main complaint would be price!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tired of the chocked retail market and the artificial limits on price that can be advertised. I am still waiting for Domestic's to offer me a high end product at the price point I can get CarolBrass at. |
You get what you pay for.
I own a Carol Brass pocket trumpet. I love the horn, and play it often at work, where portability is important.
It's a great horn ... for a low-priced instrument. But it doesn't compare in quality to my Getzen horns or my Bach trumpets.
Mike
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Brad361
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| chuck in ny wrote: | kirk
i'm willing to go the extra freight for american made. street price on the 3051 is something near 2k and it makes me feel good to own american manufacture and have supported workers in our country. we can't abandon manufacturing. it's one of the things that make us, us.
buying trumpets isn't like a low income person going to the supermarket with coupons. there are important emotional and spiritual elements to the transaction. my two WT instruments have the ghost of foster reynolds running through their DNA and the spirit of zig kanstul and flip oakes in their brass.
never seen him but i guarantee you brett getzen isn't some huge fat dude with a cigar stuck in his mouth. live and let live. a getzen trumpet costs 2k to 3k for a very good reason. it's worth it.
would you like to have someone put your funding under the microscope and see how much more efficient and lean life could be?
..chuck |
Good points. And we are not talking about an absolute life-sustaining necessity here, it's a musical instrument. For example, most Americans NEED a car, and most buy one, new or used. It's not really the same as a musical instrument. Sure, we "need" trumpets, but probably not to the degree that we need a car, food, clothing, housing, etc. And let's say that guys like Brett ARE "fat cats" (which I certainly do not believe), and are getting rich. So what? We have a free enterprise system here, and no one HAS to buy any particular brand of horn. I have this same opinion when I hear Dave Monette being bashed about the price of his horns and mouthpieces. I own four Monette mouthpieces, happen to like how they play. Would it be nice if their cost was about half? For me the buyer, sure, but it is what it is, and no one is forcing me or anyone else to buy one. If Kirk believes that Carol horns are every bit as well made and play as well as a _______, he should probably buy one. I've never played one, have heard good things like most of us have, and would like to try one.
And BTW C.K., have you PLAYED a Carol Brass trumpet? If so, SPECIFICALLY what do you like about them? (****chirping crickets**** ).
Brad361
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Getzen
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I love it when someone with absolutely no knowledge in regards to production costs and profit margins makes the argument that we need to lower our prices to meet those of imported instruments in order to sell horns. I am not going to go into details here, but material costs are a small portion of the overall production cost on a trumpet. Everything else is overhead in the form of labor (wages & benefits), regulatory compliance, utility costs, etc...
If you are expecting an American manufacturer to compete on cost with a manufacturer from China you are asking for the impossible. What are their labor costs? What benefits do they offer their employees? What environmental and workplace safety regulations are they under? There is a reason manufacturing jobs fled to Asia. Hourly wages are nothing. There is no benefit structure. Environmental/Safety regulations are all but non-existent. It is impossible for me to compete with that kind of cost structure.
Believe me, I wish I was a fat cat sitting back lighting cigars with $100 bills. I'm not... not by a long shot.
Brett Getzen
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Brad361
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| Getzen wrote: | I love it when someone with absolutely no knowledge in regards to production costs and profit margins makes the argument that we need to lower our prices to meet those of imported instruments in order to sell horns. I am not going to go into details here, but material costs are a small portion of the overall production cost on a trumpet. Everything else is overhead in the form of labor (wages & benefits), regulatory compliance, utility costs, etc...
If you are expecting an American manufacturer to compete on cost with a manufacturer from China you are asking for the impossible. What are their labor costs? What benefits do they offer their employees? What environmental and workplace safety regulations are they under? There is a reason manufacturing jobs fled to Asia. Hourly wages are nothing. There is no benefit structure. Environmental/Safety regulations are all but non-existent. It is impossible for me to compete with that kind of cost structure.
Believe me, I wish I was a fat cat sitting back lighting cigars with $100 bills. I'm not... not by a long shot.
Brett Getzen |
I think one of the reasons that many of us here value the input of guys like Brett is that in addition to being helpful to us trumpet players, we get accurate info from someone who actually DOES what certain members (who shall remain nameless.....beam me up Scotty.....) like to pretend they have knowledge about.
And I still contend that this is a free market. No one is being forced to buy anything from Getzen, Bach / Selmer, Yamaha, Monette or any other maker. If someone feels that brand ________ trumpet is over priced, don't buy it.
Brad361
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Getzen
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Getzen wrote: |
If you are expecting an American manufacturer to compete on cost with a manufacturer from China you are asking for the impossible. What are their labor costs? What benefits do they offer their employees? What environmental and workplace safety regulations are they under? |
Not only that, but from the sheer capitalism side of things, Getzen horns are just plain BETTER. The market has voted that they are WORTH more. Nationalistic pride aside, there are very specific reasons for this:
skilled people, doing quality work, at every stage.
It's also interesting to note that a ton of Getzen's production has been shipped to Japan, where a certain other major manufacturer makes a few things. Hopefully the demand for Getzen keeps up! |
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Redhothorn
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| How long is this package deal being offered? |
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TrumpetMD
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| razeontherock wrote: | | It's also interesting to note that a ton of Getzen's production has been shipped to Japan.... |
Not sure this is true.
Getzen recently used a tongue-in-cheek approach to dismiss a similar claim.
http://www.getzen.com/gazette/2010/12/13/elkhorn-wisconsin-no-longer-a-part-of-the-united-states/
An excerpt from the above link.... "The fact is we pride ourselves on the fact that all Getzen instruments are manufactured in the US. In an industry riding the wave of outsourcing, it is a badge of honor to be part of a very small group of manufacturers holding strong to our roots."
Mike
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Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
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razeontherock
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| TrumpetMD wrote: | | razeontherock wrote: | | It's also interesting to note that a ton of Getzen's production has been shipped to Japan.... |
Not sure this is true. |
I guess I could've written that better. I never meant to imply anything Getzen was made anywhere other than about 45 minutes from where I sit in WI; just that Getzen products are SOLD to Japan. I think that is a HUGE statement to their quality and value! |
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TrumpetMD
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| razeontherock wrote: | | I guess I could've written that better. |
No problem. Thanks for the clarification.
Mike
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Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
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