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ConnCoprion Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Martin Committee vs. Deluxe? |
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Martin Committee trumpets are nice by themselves, but is there really a difference between the "regular" committee and the Deluxe model, besides the engraving on the bell? _________________ Philippians 1:6 |
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amazingmoris Heavyweight Member
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J. Landress Brass Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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A true deluxe will also have DELUXE engraved on the mouthpiece receiver. _________________ Josh Landress
J. Landress Brass, LLC.
38 West 32nd Street, STE 908, NY, NY 10001
646-922-7126
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Robert Rowe Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Having owned several of each, I can tell you the "regular" (all brass) Committee seems to have the best sound. The "Deluxe" models are waaay over-rated.
People still are willing to pay more for them (Deluxe models), for some reason.
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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The difference of a "regular" committee and a "deluxe" is purely cosmetic. There are a few deluxe committees from certain years that don't have "deluxe" printed on the lead pipe-from my expierence there is no difference in sound between a deluxe and a regular. There is a difference from horn to horn-I've had 3 #3 bore committee and found then all to have a different feel and sound. I have been told by sax players that this is also true of vintage mark 6 tenors as well. that's my .02 anyway! _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA |
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intrepidpooch Heavyweight Member
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sounds7 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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As others here have stated, It is just more bling to have the nickel siver slides. That is all. _________________ 47 Martin Committee #3
Buescher lightweight 400 228
Buescher lightweight 400 217
Taylor/Harrelson/MAW
Warburton model 235
Stomvi Mambo #5
Conn constellation 38a cor.
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zackh411 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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The difference is NOT just cosmetic. The deluxe models tend to have less of a dark sound... thus less of the "true committee sound." I have played 2 of them. Both were fine horns, though one had some intonation issues with top space E. Neither of them sounded as good as my "regular, non-deluxe" committee. _________________ ~Zack
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm with Robert and Zack on this one, The playing qualities of all brass vs nickel on brass can be significant. No doubt the name "Deluxe" suggests you get more than the all brass Committee models, especially when you dress it up with nickel trim and fancy engraving. Surely the added cost of material and highly skilled engravers justified a higher price by the manufactuerer. That being said, it all boils down to what sound compliments your musical goals. It's been said "Some people listen with their eyes." _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Hi Zackh411, that post of mine is an old one- since that post I've played both the regular and Deluxe versions enough to agree with your post. The Deluxe in fact do play brighter and also with a bit more resistance due to the nickel plating. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Ortiz wrote: | due to the nickel plating. |
It's actually nickel-silver tubing almost all the time and certainly in the case of these Martins.
I asked Charlie Melk about that as I preferred the all-brass Model 228 Lightweight 400 to the brass and nickel-silver Model 217 Lightweight 400 and he told me that they will indeed sound different but it's difficult to predict. However, as I remember him saying, you won't see orchestra players using horns with nickel-silver tubing, they will be all brass.
I do have a horn with a nickel-silver mouthpipe, but that one plays as it does because of the tapers more than anything else, which I am sure is true with most instruments. That said, the nickel-silver does have an effect on the sound.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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You are correct Tom, it's nickel-silver :) _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA |
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Def Trumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I used to own both versions. While they were very similar, there were some clear differences. My all brass model was a bit older, but the horns were only separated by a few years so I found the differences interesting.
The deluxe felt lighter in my hand, had a slightly different bell taper in my opinion and for some reason seemed to have a slightly larger diameter mouthpiece receiver (don't know if that was from wear or design.)
My all brass version was restored by Charlie Melk and so is one of my regular horns to play. I will also say that there was a difference in sound between the two. My all brass Committee does seem to get a lot of core, where as the deluxe had a bit more spread. It was a difficult choice to sell the deluxe as I very much liked how it played. _________________ '50s Martin Committee M Bore
NY Bach Strad 42
MV Bach Strad 37
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shmo_joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Martin Committee vs. Deluxe? |
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committees do not play or sound the same
to me Large Bore Deluxe, with or without DELUXE stamp on the mouthpiece reciver sound better than regular
ConnCoprion wrote: | Martin Committee trumpets are nice by themselves, but is there really a difference between the "regular" committee and the Deluxe model, besides the engraving on the bell? |
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intrepidpooch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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The standard Committees had a heavier/thicker bell than the Deluxe models. I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the standard Committees tend to a have a warmer/darker sound than the Deluxe models. That said, being primarily a small group player I prefer that warmer, more vocal sound. The previous poster said he prefers the sound of the Deluxe and if I were a lead player trying to cut through a loud big band I probably would too (not saying that's what he does necessarily). However, I do play a good number of commercial and big band gigs and my standard Martin does just fine for those purposes (although not as good as my Schilke did). _________________ Ray Callender
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rockinrobbies New Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:04 pm Post subject: 1954 Martin Committee |
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Trumpets are cool MK
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 Martin Committee |
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rockinrobbies wrote: | Trumpets are cool MK |
As a retailer of instruments you might want to read the sticky at the top of the horns forum about selling in the forum.
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rockinrobbies New Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: Oops - sorry guys |
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Oops, thanks for the tip, I got it now. I'm removing it presently. Sorry bout that, we definitely don't mean to abuse |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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No problem. It really isn't my job to correct anyway.
If you have a website you might want to add it to your signature so people who might be interested in your merchandise could find you.
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Retlaw Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know how Robert Rowe is? Have not heard from him here on TH for a long time.
Walter _________________ "Amazing how many people listen with their eyes."
"Life is short....play nice." |
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