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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 1712 Location: Shreveport, LA
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Lost Another Important Member |
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I hope the mods read this.
Due to more defamatory remarks by TH member, Capt.Kirk, John Baumchen, we here at TH have lost yet another esteemed member, Josh Landress. Repair techs don't get any better than Josh. I've been in the business 27 years and I can assure you of this.
Thank you, moderators for your typical lackadaisical attitude. I can assure you, based on the large amount of undercurrent PMs going on right now, many members are about to follow suit. Not that I'm in the same league as Josh, but consider this my last post as well.
This place used to be enjoyable. I'm sure I'm not the only one, who when faced with which trumpet group to follow (TPIN, Trumpet Master, etc.), specifically chose Trumpet Herald because of its easy to follow format. The only group I follow, and now it's been allowed to be overrun by trolls and their pollyanna supporters.
I've been a member here going on eleven years. I'll still probably follow it occasionally, it's a routine of mine, habits are hard to break, but until things change I won't be posting. I'm sure no one will care anyway. _________________ Dave M
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sounds7 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 635 Location: New Orleans
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gee I thought someone died. Im glad Josh is ok and will be safe and sound away from this place. |
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ohiotpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 990
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Possibly two members for one thread:
TrentAustin wrote: |
Start making something and stop attacking me. Open up a shop... Until then you are nothing but a poor use of bandwith and a perfectly good reason for me to avoid the forums.
Goodnight and goodluck John. |
_________________ -fred
Lots of horns available to try and buy (or just try) in the Florida Treasure Coast area (Especially Kanstul trumpets) - PM if you'd like to stop by. |
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trumpetguy27 Veteran Member
Joined: 02 Aug 2011 Posts: 255 Location: Westminster Maryland
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... definitely a shame... I heard this from Josh today as well as from two other very well respected men of the business due to similar issues from various members. _________________ Adams Gold Brass/Nickel Flugel
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5865 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just curious. Can you post links to where this knucklehead is working his magic? _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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musicman0097 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2012 Posts: 601 Location: SF Bay Area, California
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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This is just sad. I hate how this community has come to this. I hate to see perfectly great and highly, respected men leave this forum. It's sad to see people go and definitely not be the same. I stand behind them 100%. I can't seeing members bashing other members. Let's hope for a change around here!
Best! _________________ Matthew Porter
"There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, learning from failure"- Colin Powell |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6210
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Once upon a time, I have tried to run a poll on TH to ban the esteemed Kirk - only to see the poll shut down by the moderators. It seems he has a diplomatic status. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5865 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think the problem has been that the Moderators have traditionally only banned people who violate the usage agreement. Being an idiot and a blowhard is not against the current usage agreement. I agree that something has to change. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I never thought I'd feel this way, but it might be time to leave and head over to trumpet master instead. The moderators clearly have an agenda that makes no sense to the majority here.
The way he goes after particular people in the industry is as much of an obvious violation of the agreement as anything I've seen, and he has done it literally hundreds of times since I joined. Yet, somehow nothing ever gets done.
The mods will probably delete this thread too to hide it all from future searches. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12705 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to know the reasoning behind why the cap'n has diplomatic status. IMHO he has crossed the line numerous times.
Even an mod edit with a warning might cause him to read and edit his posts before submitting them. But if no action is taken it is tacit approval.
In thinking about this today I personally believe some of the posts cross into the legal category of libel. They are definitely defaming craftsmen's character and are written.
If I am right, and I may be wrong, it would seem that TH and it's moderators would want to do their best to avoid being caught up in a libel suit. But I am just your average citizen and not a lawyer. |
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david mickley Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 712 Location: Indianapolis, In.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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I have been a member here and at TM for many years (have had to rejoin several times due to market place glitches). Have seen both sites lose really top notch people and pro players due to trolls. TH will survive but we all will suffer because we lost great people. Maybe if things change the ones that left will eventually come back. _________________ Chicago Benge 33XX
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hose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 1854 Location: Winter Garden, FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know we spend energy maligning Kirk. Or why anyone pays any attention to him or any other obvious trolls. That gives them entirely too much credibility. I stopped reading Kirk's posts years ago. It's easy to just scroll on to the next post. If we don't feed the trolls, they have no audience. _________________ Dave Wisner
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CurtisCalderon Regular Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 94 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yup and they delete a thread in which we talked about him and his destructive manner towards posts at times. It's no threat but after seeing that, I'm probably out soon as well. I try to add things to this site, like the horn reviews and helping younger guys with improvisation and whatever else I can help with. Why? Might as well go on trumpet master or some other forum in which they respect civility. Getzen gets bashed and he calls all makers liars. Bashes Bach, questions Trent and bashes him in a way as well. Not sure why it's ok for those to stay on but to delete any comments mentioning how negative he can be in threads. I don't want him banned, I just want good threads to stay informative without all the negativity he brings. It's one thing to have constructive criticism, but this is many times something else that he brings. It's unfortunate. I do hope that Adam, Trent and the likes go elsewhere if the mods don't care much for protecting their reputation on here.
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musicman0097 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2012 Posts: 601 Location: SF Bay Area, California
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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hose wrote: | I don't know we spend energy maligning Kirk. Or why anyone pays any attention to him or any other obvious trolls. That gives them entirely too much credibility. I stopped reading Kirk's posts years ago. It's easy to just scroll on to the next post. If we don't feed the trolls, they have no audience. |
+1
I don't like seeing great people leave because of other ignorant people. It bothers me. I wish people wouldn't leave, but I respect people's decisions. I think we should just do our best to ignore the posts. But I do understand that there is a line and it has been crossed before. So I get if people want to at least stand up for one another. But IMO, most of the time, ignorant people aren't worth our time. I wish the moderators would talk more action so the website members could feel better. _________________ Matthew Porter
"There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, learning from failure"- Colin Powell |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I just posted in Reveille myself... and I am also considering leaving as well. Not that anyone will miss me. But at least Trumpet Master is free of He Who Shall Not Be Named.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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21trumpet Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Posts: 311 Location: So. California
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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hose wrote: | I don't know we spend energy maligning Kirk. Or why anyone pays any attention to him or any other obvious trolls. That gives them entirely too much credibility. I stopped reading Kirk's posts years ago. It's easy to just scroll on to the next post. If we don't feed the trolls, they have no audience. |
I totally agree with the above. I have been a member for many years and I to had decided not to read posts by Kirk. I truly think that if everyone just ignores him and never quotes him this forum would be a better place. As for me I only post on stuff that I truly know about which is what we should all do. _________________ Yamaha YTR-9335 NYS III
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5234 Location: ca.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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hose wrote: | I don't know we spend energy maligning Kirk. Or why anyone pays any attention to him or any other obvious trolls. That gives them entirely too much credibility. I stopped reading Kirk's posts years ago. It's easy to just scroll on to the next post. If we don't feed the trolls, they have no audience. |
I haven't read his posts since his 2nd or 3rd one.... The issue is he butts into EVERY post whether he has anything to contribute or not... As soon as that happens I move on.... To the point I rarely come here anymore... _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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Bill Blackwell Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1020 Location: Southern CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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21trumpet wrote: | hose wrote: | I don't know we spend energy maligning Kirk. Or why anyone pays any attention to him or any other obvious trolls. That gives them entirely too much credibility. I stopped reading Kirk's posts years ago. It's easy to just scroll on to the next post. If we don't feed the trolls, they have no audience. |
I totally agree with the above. I have been a member for many years and I to had decided not to read posts by Kirk. I truly think that if everyone just ignores him and never quotes him this forum would be a better place. As for me I only post on stuff that I truly know about which is what we should all do. |
+1 _________________ Bill Blackwell
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david mickley Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 712 Location: Indianapolis, In.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hose, I stopped reading his long laboriously boring posts a long time ago, just figured everyone did also. If he had been ignored we would still a lot of good people posting here (besides the good one still left). He is not the first troll andhe won't be the last. _________________ Chicago Benge 33XX
Burbank Benge 5X 59XX
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 3670 Location: Pacifica, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'll repeat what I quoted from the usage agreement for this site as to what NOT to post:
"Flames" any individual or entity (e.g., sends repeated messages related to another user and/or makes derogatory or offensive comments about another individual), or repeats prior posting of the same message under multiple threads or subjects."
Dude's violating the usage agreement, and personally attacking and defaming people, his privilege should be removed. Could it be possible that he has a personal connection to the moderator? _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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