Brandenburg video question

[rooster7]

I came across this video on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo
I have a question about the trumpet. I've watched a couple of videos of trumpet players using natural trumpets to play the Brandenburg and Michael Haydn pieces. All of the trumpets were either 3 hole or 4 hole. In this video, it appears the trumpet has no holes. Is that what an original natural trumpet would have been like that in the days of Michael Haydn and Bach? Are natural trumpets, with holes, something new? Also, you note the trumpet player is playing the trumpet with one hand and the other hand on his side. Is/was there formality in playing the natural trumpet?
Mark

[Diane Bruce]

Vent holes on so-called Baroque trumpet is a modern invention from the 1960s. Yes, 1960s not 1760s The performer here is Jean-François Madeuf. A vented modern Baroque trumpet is hard enough but an unvented natural trumpet is a true beast for this piece. If you are interested, a good article on vented trumpets would be Bob's article http://www.historicbrass.org/Portals/0/Documents/Journal/1998/HBSJ_1998_JL01_001_Barclay.pdf

[joshsbarber]

Fascinating video, haven't seen the Brandenburg performed like that before. Extremely impressive.

[loudog]

Madeuf is really the only guy who can effectively play the Brandenburg on no holes.

The no holes fad is starting to take off...especially with earlier (Fantini era) works...the bar is getting higher and higher all the time.

My friend is playing a no-holes B minor mass here within the month...

An interesting note about no holes...most guys use a rather LARGE mouthpiece (bigger than a normal baroque mouthpiece, which typically are big anyway) to aid in the lipping of pitches...I'm pretty sure that mouthpiece Madeuf is using is gigantic... Imagine that...Brandenburg on an alto horn or small trombone mouthpiece. OUCH!
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[PopPop]

While Madeuf is widely acclaimed to be at the top of the pile of the "no-holers", a beautiful and effective performance of a no-holes Brandenburg 2 was given by Rick Murrell from Pittsburgh last year in Milwaukee with the Ensemble Musical Offering. It may have been the first no-hole Brandenburg concert performance in America.

[loudog]

[Diane Bruce]

[amuk]

I'm amazed that he plays with one hand like that.

[veery715]

I find that video one of the most remarkable performances ever. Just absolutely jaw-dropping astounding. Thanks for posting it!
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[bike&ed]

Wow, that's truly exceptional! I'd like to play an unvented horn like that, probably never for the Brandenburg, but for the vast literature in C and D. Who is making quality unvented instruments and mouthpieces?

[Diane Bruce]

[Don Herman rev2]

Always the Hosaphone...
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[bike&ed]

Thanks. Do all of the above make unvented instruments? I'm somewhat familiar with the 3 & 4 hole vented horns, and have had few. I never really cared enough to learn the fingering system well, as it always felt "wrong" somehow. Thus, the desire for an "authentic" period instrument...

[cjl]

Just get a vented horn and plug the holes. That will give you both worlds.

I have a Hainlein copy that I made at one of Bob Barclay's workshops. Great fun and an inexpensive way to get a natural trumpet.

The Hainlein model is fairly early in the game; the bell shape is more funnel-like and the sound is not really suitable for Handel, Bach, etc but it is right for Fantini, I believe.

Here's this year's workshop info.

2014 Natural Trumpet Making Workshop
Bloomington, IN - May 19 - 23, 2014 (Monday - Friday) and May 26 - 30, 2014 (Monday - Friday)

http://www.seraphinoff.com/Content.aspx?6298e5e8-bd1e-46d6-82df-5382d508e5ee

"Tuition for the Bloomington workshop is $800.00, which includes all materials, tools and supplies which will be used during the workshop, as well as a copy of "Making a Natural Trumpet - an Illustrated Workshop Guide", published by the University of Edinburgh. Enrollment is limited to 12 participants, and reservations are made on a first come, first served basis."

I wouldn't mind going back and doing it again!

-- Joe

[bike&ed]

Where would one get a mouthpiece more suitable for unvented playing? Using modern mpcs was clearly not effective, and the commentary further up sounds like many of the period mpcs still might not be the right choice. I'm willing to take on a challenge on the embouchure end of things...

[cjl]

Like Diane Bruce above said, look here:
http://www.baroquetrumpet.com/mouthpiece.htm

for most all your needs, including mouthpieces by Egger and Naumann that are historical copies.

I don't have any specific recommendations; the one I have was made by someone I met during the Barclay class and who has now quit making horns and mouthpieces for sale, I believe.

-- Joe

[loudog]

You'll probably want something a bit bigger for playing without holes...something like a Bull 3 or 5 (Egger). The larger mouthpiece aids IMMENSELY in pitch manipulation, along with a larger throat.

Stay away from "modern mouthpieces."
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[bike&ed]

Thanks for the continued input!