How to get Pedal Notes?

oj · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:40 pm Post subject:

Nathan,

As I've already suggested, get B.E !

ASAP!

On page 60 - 61 Jeff explain how the Callet-style double pedals help you. He list 3 main ways, but I will not tell you what they are. You have to buy the book?

Since you already know about Callet, you should also study B.E. They are, as I think you know, "related"!

Best wishes,

Ole

[ This Message was edited by: oj on 2003-11-27 16:42 ]

thebulldog · New Member Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2

trump_it · Veteran Member Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 319

Yes, you did quote my entire post. I said nothing to the contrary. What I said was that you added to my post. The words "You," "for" and "example" never appear in the same sentence in my post. Go back and read your post in which you quote me. Then read the quotation. I hope this isn't too taxing for you.
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_bugleboy · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:04 pm Post subject:

Nathan is right. Bulldog quoted him and in that quote there is a sentence that is not in the original quote by trump_it. That sentence is,

"You, for example"

Bulldog now says,

Now, if you´ll notice in my original post I quoted your entire post, not bits and pieces, nothing changed or moved,

But something was changed. A new sentence appears in Bulldog's quote that wasn't in the original.

What say you Bulldog?

trump_it · Veteran Member Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 319

Bulldog-

Upon further observation I see that you weren't trying to embellish my post, you were merely trying to insult me. You were suggesting that I don't know the purpose of pedal tones, but instead you ended up typing in my post. Edit accordingly, and I'll edit my posts directed personally towards you.
It seems to me that you are someone who frequents this board and just signed up for a new name, in order to bash me with anonymity. If that is not the case, then you have chosen a very fiery way to join the board. If you plan to continue with this attitude, I wish you the best of luck.
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_dcstep · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject:

trumpetteacher1 · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:13 am Post subject:

A lot of turn-of-the-century guys used pedals in their solos. I have a 1905 recording of Bohumir Kryl playing the Carnival of Venice theme and variations, chock full of pedal tones. What a trip!

Of course, I don't claim to know which pedal embouchure that he was using.

Jeff Smiley
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trumpetdiva1 · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:01 am Post subject:

Haegge · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:21 am Post subject:

Thanks for all the advices, i will try to work a little harder on my low F#. I figured out that my tone becomes clearer and my lips feel better after 10 minutes playing down to the low F#, but i'm a little bit afraid that this will open up my Arpature again.

_dcstep · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:33 am Post subject:

Haegge,

I'm sorry to see that we've been talking all around your original question the core of which was that you couldn’t really get the low F#. You also mentioned pedals, so we latched onto that at took off on a flyer, getting into double pedals, Callet and Balanced Embouchure.

Getting back to that F#, it sounds like you're overblowing. You should be able to use 1-2-3 and get that note with your "normal" embouchure. Maybe you need to pull the horn away from your lips just a little. If you get the G, then the F# should work with pretty much the same blow.

I can't resist saying that you need to adopt an integrated embouchure system. Are you our friend in Germany that doesn't have a qualified teacher available? If so, I strongly suggest that you order the Balanced Embouchure book and CD. It is extremely well written and meant to be studied without a teacher. It is totally complete and you'll gain from it. The pictures and explanations are clear CD shows you exactly how the notes should sound.

Good luck,

Dave
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Haegge · Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:55 pm Post subject:

Hi Dave,

yes, it's hard to find a good teacher in this area, i figured out that the other guy "omahatrumpet" is living really close to me and he has to fight the same problem. We have arranged a trip to a good trumpetteacher in Southern Germany next year (Thanks to Trumpet Herald).

I worked hard on low F# the last week and it seems that i could start the note with the tounge really well after a while of practice. If i try to start the note with a breath attack i could first hear some noise between C# and low F# which then will went to low F#

But i think with a little more training this will be better. There is a good side effect, my lips feel much softer and my tone becomes better. Yesterday at a 2 1/2 hour gig i was surprised that my endurance is much better. Really nice.

Edit: For the Book i have to discuss with my wife, because i bought the Caruso Book this Month, for the next book i need a really good reason to convince? her. :smile:

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_dcstep · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:59 am Post subject:

Caruso is excellent. The advantage of the B.E. book and CD is that it's absolutely complete, with numerous photos, much explaination and wonderful examples of how things should sound. When you consider how much your receive the price is very reasonable. Most studies are designed to be presented by a teacher while the B.E. book is designed for self-study. Still, I understand the need to budget.

Dave
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kalijah · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:28 pm Post subject:

Don't blame Nathan, he probably heard some mis-informed instructor teaching this.

I actually had a young player once say to me:

"You should always use as much air as possible, even on soft notes!"

Well, this child knew nothing of "efficiency". Which is the concept of getting more results with less effort.

As far as pedals go, it is important to learn to play them with your "normal" embouchure. Also while striving to make them as legitimate sounding as possible. Not only are they an excercise in low-tension, low-pressure playing but they help develop sub-harmonics in your tone. But they must be practiced with the same embouchure you use for normal playing for the "subs" to become part of your tone.

AccentOnTrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 878

Derek,

I have heard of Bill Lucas's pedal tones book. He is excellent at playing the pedals. I remember he played pedal C for me open, something I have never been able to do. I always find myself pushing down all three valves or something like that...lol.

I might see him next month and I will get an update on that book.

Peace,

Josh