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bmazura New Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:03 am Post subject: cyclic breathing |
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Anyone have helpful hints for cyuclic breathing? |
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: |
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An excellent book on the subject is by clarinetist Robert Spring. |
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Microblitz Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Read the book, memorise the technique then get a straw and a glass of water.
Use the technique to blow into the straw, to create a continuous stream of bubbles.
Keep practising until the flow of air bubbles are the same rate and the bubbles are the same size.
Then move to the trumpet when you can achieve this.
Listen to the sound at the point at which you change from your resovoir of air in your throat and cheeks and back to lungs again. Aim for it to sound a smooth & continuous note. _________________ Chris.
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tommy t. Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Microblitz wrote: | Read the book, memorise the technique then get a straw and a glass of water.
Use the technique to blow into the straw, to create a continuous stream of bubbles.
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I believe that the straw and water technique is the best way to start. I have taught several players that way. It is also a very good trick for bar bets.
I found the hardest part of the technique as applied to trumpet to be maintenance of support. I think that there is a tendancy to take very shallow breaths with bad results quickly following. Work hard at inhaling from down low -- the idea is not just to inflate your cheeks but to keep playing trumpet.
It is important to learn to do this smoothly while holding a single note, but in performance I almost always do it on a trill or during something like an eigth note run up a a mid-range scale.
Tommy T. _________________ Actually, I hate music. I just do this for the money. |
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Trumpet14 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:18 am Post subject: |
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This is probably a dumb question but, what is cyclic breathing? |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Keeping an air pocket in your cheeks, releasing the air from it into the mouthpiece as you are inhaling through the nose into your lungs, then as you exhale from your lungs, filling the air pocket in your cheeks. Makes it appear that the air stream is (almost) uninterrupted by breathing. |
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: |
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It is most often called circular breathing. There are method books by Joe Burgstaller (a trumpeter) and Robert Spring (a clarinetist). |
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Trumpet14 Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! Sounds cool! |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Trumpet14 Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I'll try it! |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I learned circular breathing while driving my car in HS after clark Terry made an appearance with our band. I could see what he was doing and asked him about it. He demonstrated and I decided to learn how to do it.
Pretty simple- fill the cheeks with air, push out with the fingers and thumb of one hand while inhaling through the nose, after a while try to let the cheek muscles take over for the fingers/thumb. Once you can reliably keep the wind moving as you disconnect/reconnect with the lungs, start applying it to an easy tone on the trumpet.
Like learning to double and triple tongue (which I learned while riding my bike around on a paper route every day), it was much more simple for me to learn the skill process off of the horn first, then add it to what I could already do. Good luck.
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Trumpet14 Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! It's hard! I can't make a good buzz using my mouth's muscles. |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Google didgeridoo-players, they are very good in it. |
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tommy t. Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:34 am Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | Google didgeridoo-players, they are very good in it. |
Why, Thank you, Delano.
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Obama420 New Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Listen to the sound at the point at which you change from your resovoir of air in your throat and cheeks and back to lungs again. Aim for it to sound a smooth & continuous note.
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gvilletpt Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:11 am Post subject: cyclic breathing |
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How do you get the air into the cheeks?---My inhale takes the air to the lungs. |
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CRoberts8 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: Re: cyclic breathing |
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gvilletpt wrote: | How do you get the air into the cheeks?---My inhale takes the air to the lungs. |
As you play allow a bit of extra air in - then you use that air to maintain the air pressure needed to maintain a buzz and inhale really quickly. |
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Gtysnjs New Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I found a cool video with James Morrison demonstrating a way of learning circular breathing. Just get a cup of water and a straw and blow bubbles and try to have the bubbles be consistent and not die out. |
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't recommend the water method for obvious reasons. It is a cool demonstration once you know how to circular breathe, but learning this way often leads to problems. |
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theoldman New Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Are there any recommended videos on cyclical breathing... Mostly best to learn from listening and watching. |
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