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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:33 am    Post subject: What Holton is this? LT 302? Reply with quote

Hi
I came across this Holton and don't know it's value and model.
It has a pinky ring, a firts valve saddle, fixed third valve ring and no medallion on the tuning brace, just a simple brace. Laquered. Model sims to be ... LT 302, but I am not sure, can't tell if it's a "6" (602) or a "3" (302)
Is it a professional model? Does it worth anything?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a light weight ST-302 professional model worth, probably, $600+
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the lightweight version of the ST306.
I know, I know...one would think it's a lightweight version of the ST 302,
but it isn't.
According to the research(google) that I have done, it appears that the
LT302 was manufactured at the same time as the ST306 or shortly thereafter
At the moment I can't remember exactly when the ST306 was first manufactured, but I believe it was sometime in the eighties, or possibly early nineties.
The ST 302 was first manufactured in the early to mid seventies.
I'm sorry I can't offer more in the way of documentation for this, but I am fairly certain that it s the lightweight version of the ST 306.
I have played on one of these LT 302s a couple of times and they are really good horns if you like a lightweight trumpet...which I do.
The advertisement that Holton put out for these horns featured a quote from Maynard saying..."This horn really sizzles"
There might be some info on the LT 302 on the Holton Loyalist site, but I kind of doubt it, and I don't think that is where I got this info.
I will try to find out more information.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Any idea what bore does it have? Medium-large or large? I suppose not small or medium.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a .468 Bore.
Now I recall the reasons why it is not a version of the ST302.
If you look closely at it you will find that it is built off a BACH valve cluster.
And it has the elliptical "D" shaped tuning slide crook.
It has other similarities to a Bach.
Holton MF model horns use two different type valve clusters in the
manufacturing process. The ST 302 along with the ST304 were built off of the old Martin Committee valve cluster and lead pipe, this is also true of the ST 307 and 308 .
The ST 306 and the LT 302 were constructed off of a Bach valve cluster.
That is the difference in the ST302 and the LT 302.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are very good trumpets !
If you don't want to buy it... I will.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a so called MF horn too? If not, is this a minus?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maynard's original ST301 was a copy of Maynard's old large bore Martin Committee model trumpet. Maynard also played on a large bore (.468 ) Bach trumpet in earlier years.
It is entirely possible that the LT302 is a copy of Maynards old Bach.
It is an MF HORN model.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would buy it and see how it compares with my Schilke B1. Of not on my tastes, shure I will sell it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will play much more open than your B1.
This is because it is a much larger bore...468.
Your B1 is a .460 bore.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what about the bell? Mine is a large one, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bell diameter is 5 inches, just like all of the Maynard models
The bell also has a fairly large throat.
It is a lightweight bell just like the new ST 307 models that are made at the CONN-Selmer plant in Elkhart Indiana. I have one of the newer ST307 models with a lightweight Bell and they play great.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome !
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From an original Holton-magazine :

Listed as an MF horn :

The LT302 is an remarkably centered an focused, a characteristic rare among big-bore instruments. Its special lightweight tubing makes it more open and gives it a quick response and flexibility. A vibrant and alive instrument, Maynard says of it, "This model sizzles up high!"

Specifications
Key : Bb
Bore : 11.89 mm (.468")
Bell : 5.0" diameter hand-hammered yellow brass with wire-reinforced rim
Mouthpipe : Yellow brass, specially tapered
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this is the most info I have seen about the 306. I have the ST-306 MF Horn and always wondered why some have the holton medallion on the brace but some, like mine, only have the brace.
Anyone know?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can't answer the question why the ST 306 and the LT302 do not
have the medallion on the brace. Some of the T 602 Holtons do not have the medallion and some do have it. I do know that the St 306 is a very fine playing trumpet with characteristics more like a BACH then a Martin Committee model.
The ST 306 and the LT302 are not as widely used as the other model MF horns,
but they are really great horns. I especially like the LT 302.
Holton makes very fine trumpets.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I designed and prototyped the LT 302 as well as other models when I was working at Martin band Instruments from 1980 through about 2004 when we closed under Conn Selmer.All Holton/Martin developing and building was at our plant during this time. The Lt 302 used thinner wall french horn tubing with nickel silver inside and outside slide tubes. The bell and mouth pipe were the same tapers as earlier MF horns. We got away from the medallions and went to rod crosspieces primarily because they were softer after the posts were silver soldered on. This made them more prone to break and slightly altered the play.To the best of my memory the St302 was built off from the old Martin style valve casing. The ST306 was the same set up of bell and mouth pipe built off from the T101 (Bach style) valve casing. The LT302 (Bach Style casing) was as I mentioned above but did still retain the standard weight MF bell.After those I developed the ST 307 which was a .468 bore like ST306 but utilized an MF bell with a round bend ,a round tuning bow with medallion, and a reversed mouth pipe that was a reduced version of the T357 Sandoval pipe. Last but not least the ST308 was a.459 version of the ST307 I made specifically for Maynard as he got older. He liked it a lot and actually played it for the entire concert when we gave it to him to try.After that he tended to drift back to the bigger horn as he was so comfortable with it. to the best of my recollection this info should be pretty accurate.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One additional thing I recall-----In between the old ST302 and new St306 was the ST302X. The ST302X used the original slides from the ST302 (all nickel silver)and we mounted them on the Bach style valve.Then next came the ST306 that was built on the Bach style casing with completely different slides that were brass inside and nickel silver outer slides.
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