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JUD Regular Member
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 36 Location: somewhere in the bahamas
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Embouchure changing |
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Hi guys
Something i have noticed while doing the seconds, is that at around the high d mark my embouchure changes to more of an upstream setting. Feels very easy. Like falsetto. Can get up to double high c doing that
My normal range cuts off at high g above c.
Is it worth exploring and not worrying about the change?
Cheers
Jud |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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If it works it isn't broken and doesn't need fixing. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Like HERMOKIWI says, don't analyze it if it works. Just go for the sound and the rest will follow. |
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mark61 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Trying to figure out what you mean be "seconds" ?
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bach_again Heavyweight Member
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lmaraya Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Embouchure changing |
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JUD wrote: | Hi guys
My normal range cuts off at high g above c.
Jud |
Does your lower lip tuck in (roll in) behind the upper lip around this note? Many years ago I noticed that I did exactly that, and that was the limit of my range. However, my range increased to a double C when I started keeping both lips aligned. Hope it helps. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5860 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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One of the core principles of Carmine's teachings is that you do not think about how your embouchure works and you do not manipulate your embouchure or "fix" anything with your conscious mind. Do the calisthenics. Focus on following the Four Rules. Do not do anything beyond that.
You may observe how things work in a detached observational way. If the approach you are describing is more efficient then it will eventually be the way you play all of the time. If it isn't more effective then your unconscious mind will try it and file it away under things to avoid. Some people call this an indirect method. When you're playing in a musical context you DO NOT consciously try to apply the progress made in calisthenic practice. Do the exercises every day and focus on the Four Rules during CC practice. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Martinharris Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Depends if your sound is good enough with the upstream set.
You NEED good sound, low register, flexibility and never change embouchure.
It might be that your upstream set lacks flexibility, low register and sound in which case just work on getting your normal set better.
Having said that, experimentation is good for you so feel free to experiment with both sets a lot.
All the best, Martin |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Martinharris wrote: | Depends if your sound is good enough with the upstream set.
You NEED good sound, low register, flexibility and never change embouchure.
It might be that your upstream set lacks flexibility, low register and sound in which case just work on getting your normal set better.
Having said that, experimentation is good for you so feel free to experiment with both sets a lot.
All the best, Martin |
In another context, I would agree. But this is the CARUSO FORUM and Martin's well intentioned comments (and others prior) are against the approach and philosophy of Carmine and his students. My answer above is pretty definitive regarding Carmine's teachings. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Like PH said. _________________ Schilke B5
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