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HERMOKIWI
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Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? In fact, lots of jazz players don't even put their fingers in the first and third valve slide rings/hooks when holding the horn. Clifford was like that. So was Maynard. So is Faddis. Have any of these players ever been asked about that or explained it in any way?
Just wondering.
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| HERMOKIWI wrote: | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? In fact, lots of jazz players don't even put their fingers in the first and third valve slide rings/hooks when holding the horn. Clifford was like that. So was Maynard. So is Faddis. Have any of these players ever been asked about that or explained it in any way?
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I haven't noticed that. I've noticed the opposite.
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| Mike Sailors wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? In fact, lots of jazz players don't even put their fingers in the first and third valve slide rings/hooks when holding the horn. Clifford was like that. So was Maynard. So is Faddis. Have any of these players ever been asked about that or explained it in any way?
Just wondering. |
I haven't noticed that. I've noticed the opposite. |
This makes me think: I recently purchased a King Master cornet because I love how Nat Adderly sounded on his. Nat, of course, has an outrageously great sound, but there sure are some notes that are, ahem, pitchy. Well, my cornet doesn't have any intonation aids on the 1st and 3rd valve slides! And when I was playing it, I noticed that I was extremely sharp on all the same notes that Nat always was! Imagine that!
I think it wasn't all that long ago where the prevailing ethos among a certain set of jazz musicians was "play the note where the horn wants it to be" and not overly worry about intonation at all. That has most certainly changed these days, and the music is better for it. But you don't have to search all that hard to find jazz recordings with severe pitch issues.
(Also worth noting: Wynton's Monette doesn't have a 1st slide ring because he doesn't like using one.)
Anyway, back on topic - great photo, you just know he's about to blast the back wall off the concert hall!
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| HERMOKIWI wrote: | | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? |
Come on. It's Faddis. When was the last time he played a low D or C#? Hell, he might as well sodder the slides shut. |
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| Larry Smithee wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? |
Come on. It's Faddis. When was the last time he played a low D or C#? Hell, he might as well sodder the slides shut. |
Spelled "solder".
And that's a rediculous reduction of Faddis' artistry, tongue in cheek or otherwise. If you haven't heard him playing in the staff, his sound is damn near perfect. You owe it to yourself to spend a bit more time researching his playing.
Playing Bix's horn:
https://youtu.be/mxgaa2qjI5s
If you don't know the original solo please check it out. Faddis' skill is outstanding in reproducing every nuance. Heckler's Hop:
https://youtu.be/ZlkZamCG-HI
Finally, a press conference with a LOT of knowledge and applicable wisdom:
https://youtu.be/Gd3DMG0lXto
Class photo, Mike!! That's a BIG mouth corner inhalation. His embouchure looks stellar.
Mike
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| bach_again wrote: | | Larry Smithee wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? |
Come on. It's Faddis. When was the last time he played a low D or C#? Hell, he might as well sodder the slides shut. |
Spelled "solder".
And that's a rediculous reduction of Faddis' artistry, tongue in cheek or otherwise. If you haven't heard him playing in the staff, his sound is damn near perfect. You owe it to yourself to spend a bit more time researching his playing. |
Oh, please. I don't owe myself anything. I'm more than aware of Faddis' abilities.
Sorry about the spelling oversight. I'll try to do better.
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| Larry Smithee wrote: | | bach_again wrote: | | Larry Smithee wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? |
Come on. It's Faddis. When was the last time he played a low D or C#? Hell, he might as well sodder the slides shut. |
Spelled "solder".
And that's a rediculous reduction of Faddis' artistry, tongue in cheek or otherwise. If you haven't heard him playing in the staff, his sound is damn near perfect. You owe it to yourself to spend a bit more time researching his playing. |
Oh, please. I don't owe myself anything. I'm more that aware of Faddis' abilities.
Sorry about the spelling oversight. I'll try to do better. |
No need to apologise, that's just how you Americans say the word.
At least give those links a watch. Theres a lot of great stuff therein.
Mike
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:01 pm Post subject: Faddis |
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| Quote: | | No need to apologise, that's just how you Americans say the word. |
Then again...us Americans spell "apologise" APOLOGIZE!! Just sayin'!!!
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bach_again
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Faddis |
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| maynard-46 wrote: | | Quote: | | No need to apologise, that's just how you Americans say the word. |
Then again...us Americans spell "apologise" APOLOGIZE!! Just sayin'!!!
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This makes no sense. Solder, in the US, is pronounced as Larry spelled it "sodder". Whereas your point about the American English spelling of apologise isn't in any way related to this; you do realise I live in Ireland, right?
Anyway, this topic is about Faddis.
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| I would bet that in the picture of Jon he is soloing,and not really focusing on nailing pitch per se..I will tell you this..I`v played with him live in a few different situations playing big band,in the studio playing jingles a couple times,(and yes one time he even sat on the 4th book) and his pitch is bullet proof..Only thing I will say,is when he's really cranking,there are so many overtones in his sound,it might seem like the pitch is questionable,but the playback never lies..He is a mutha! You guys kidding? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:22 pm Post subject: ok |
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About the topic, the picture, very nice. That's the first time I've seen him on that kind of mouthpiece. I'm used to seeing him on a very differently shaped one. thanks for the post
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:38 pm Post subject: American |
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American Boy the only man brain here.
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| Mike Sailors wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | Have you noticed that lots of jazz players don't adjust the first and third valve slides for intonation? In fact, lots of jazz players don't even put their fingers in the first and third valve slide rings/hooks when holding the horn. Clifford was like that. So was Maynard. So is Faddis. Have any of these players ever been asked about that or explained it in any way?
Just wondering. |
I haven't noticed that. I've noticed the opposite. |
In a lesson with Jon, I was focusing on air flow and neglected to adjust a low C# during some Clarke Studies. So, we stopped while he asked me to explain my failure to adjust. He would not accept less than my best. He also played some classical excerpts that day - in tune, in style. The guy is so much more than a high note player.
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