Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:16 am Post subject: What is your favourite Brass Band Cornet sound.
I must say at the outset of this post that the Britsh Brass Band cornet sound is not my cup of tea. I find the incessant fast vibrato unattractive. My ideal Cornet sound is Wynton playing on his Carnival recording. Great depth of tone and musical use of vibrato.
favorite cornet sound this https://youtu.be/Q3nMWbf8_GY but brass band cornet sound, not familiar enough with the genre although I know they do not all use that fast vibrato anymore, I think that is more of a historic thing.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:07 am Post subject:
For me this is the ultimate BRITISH Brass Band Cornet Sound
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For me, a lyrical sop cornet is the ultimate sound (it would be), though very, very few achieve it - not at all a fan of the overly bright/strident and unbendable sounds that are the current fashion.
The vib is largely a means to an end (it can cover up a few tuning sins) though the fast, constant vib ala McCann isn't really the done thing at the moment - variable speed and intensity of vib, when tastefully done, can add a whole extra dimension...
But I've played with players even in championship section bands who cannot control it brilliantly and indeed some who simply can't do it at all.
PS, on the topic of carnival of venice recordings.. The Wynton recording is fireworks and panache to the very last, but give me Maurice Andre's recording every time - just oozes class and manages to simultaneously make it sound absurdly easy whilst emphasising just how difficult it really is, and with a gorgeous tone to boot.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:09 am Post subject:
The reason for the vibrato is that the cornet was originally an instrument to accompany community singing (round the piano, before TV). The cornet mimics classical singers with vibrato and lots of emotion. The vibrato is not continuous - not even Philip's. In fact, he stresses that you need to be able to switch it on and off at will so that it is not interfering with the sound. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:02 am Post subject:
When used correctly vibrato is icing on the cake. Now I have definitely head some that boarders on ridiculous. I prefer the Americanized British brass band style _________________ a few different ones
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:35 am Post subject:
trumpet56, I think not everybody read your initial post? If I understand correctly, you might be looking for a sound like maybe Gerard Schwarz put out on his album of cornet favourites some time back. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
And what an amazing player she is - sometimes she can clearly be seen fingering B naturals, and yet beautiful, perfectly in-tune Bb's are sounded. As such her B naturals are just... magic. Okay, I'll stop now...
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:01 am Post subject:
Well, Bbs in some European countries are Bs, so maybe . . . _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:41 pm Post subject:
Lou,
Nice post. You got me thinking about immigrating to a place that has British Brass Bands.
Could I solo without a fast vibrato?
Warm regards,
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:42 pm Post subject:
For the modern players, I think Richard Marshall is at the top of his game. _________________ "Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be".
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Yes! What a lovely sound - dreamy, clear, cantabile, core, warmth!
I fully agree with you, no wholeheartedly ´cause she is conveying sentiments. And that tiny vibrato.....mmmm! _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
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