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nkolisnyk Regular Member
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: It's a Klezmer Thing |
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Hey there. I was wondering if anyone could point me towards some info on achieving that certain Klezmer technique.
I'm subbing with a brass band, and we are playing Sat by Boban Markovic. The technique I'm having trouble is found at 2:10 of this video. It's kind of like a trill/gracenote tagged on to every quarter beat, but anything I try sounds too clean. Maybe it's an airstream thing?
https://youtu.be/8yShvAeh7C8
A side note, I love his tone. It goes against what most people would call a beautiful tone, but there's just something about it. It reminds me of Kenny Dorham...
Any help would be appreciated. _________________ Yamaha Xeno 8335G Cornet
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I NOT an expert on this music but...
...what I heard more than one trumpet playing at that spot. Also, they're using rotaries as opposed to piston. Rotaries are not less clean than piston in that (perhaps they're actually more?) but that might account for .... something?
If it's just one trumpet doing that, then dunno... maybe someone else can enlighten. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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david johnson Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 1:42 am Post subject: |
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to me it sounds like slurred triplet 16ths followed by eighths |
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bike&ed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:52 am Post subject: |
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david johnson wrote: | to me it sounds like slurred triplet 16ths followed by eighths |
16th triplet followed by 2 16th notes, this is a very common figure in Eastern European folk music. I love the tune! |
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Danbassin Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:16 am Post subject: |
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All of the above - the line is doubled by at least two or three players, so playing those quick triplet 'mordent' figures (on the beat) with a few friends adds that 'blurry' effect you're hearing. And, the European rotary flugelhorns (not trumpets) they're playing also contributes to this unique quality - more so the particular sound of these instruments, rather than the rotary mechanism. Finally, though this is a mere technicality, this music really isn't Klezmer, but Balkan brass of the Serbian Romani tradition --- truly great stuff, nonetheless.
Happy practicing!
-DB _________________ Daniel Bassin
Conductor/Composer/Trumpeter/Improviser/Educator
I play:
Monette - CORNETTE/PranaXLT-STC Bb/MC-35/Raja A Piccolo;
Kromat C-Piccolo; Thein G-Piccolo; Various antique horns
MPCs - Monette Unity 1-7D and DM4LD |
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bike&ed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Danbassin wrote: | All of the above - the line is doubled by at least two or three players, so playing those quick triplet 'mordent' figures (on the beat) with a few friends adds that 'blurry' effect you're hearing. And, the European rotary flugelhorns (not trumpets) they're playing also contributes to this unique quality - more so the particular sound of these instruments, rather than the rotary mechanism. Finally, though this is a mere technicality, this music really isn't Klezmer, but Balkan brass of the Serbian Romani tradition --- truly great stuff, nonetheless.
Happy practicing!
-DB |
Thanks for adding that comment, I didn't think the tune sounded quite like the Klezmer tunes I'm used to (I play a LOT of Klezmer), but I'm always open to expanding my understanding of the "borders" of the genre... |
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Danbassin Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:32 am Post subject: |
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bike&ed wrote: | Thanks for adding that comment, I didn't think the tune sounded quite like the Klezmer tunes I'm used to (I play a LOT of Klezmer), but I'm always open to expanding my understanding of the "borders" of the genre... |
Anytime! There was a pretty fun documentary from just a few years ago called "Brasslands" - it was once on Netflix, but I just checked and it seems that fell off current rotation - on the world's largest trumpet festival, in Serbia. The special rotary flugels (and the trumpet-shanked mouthpieces they use on said flugels) complement the virtuosic approach and engaging soundworld of this music in a very special way.
On this topic...of not exactly Klezmer, but amazing traditional brass music, the 'Corneta' has a remarkable musical tradition, with super-virtuosic features: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R28xqX8dG24
It's an inspiring world of music out there!
-DB
PS - here's some of the music in a fuller context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfHjbaviX8s _________________ Daniel Bassin
Conductor/Composer/Trumpeter/Improviser/Educator
I play:
Monette - CORNETTE/PranaXLT-STC Bb/MC-35/Raja A Piccolo;
Kromat C-Piccolo; Thein G-Piccolo; Various antique horns
MPCs - Monette Unity 1-7D and DM4LD |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Great thread with great info. |
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Danbassin Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Since my previous post, I came across this useful resource on the Corneta:
http://trumpetpla.net/2016/01/20/what-is-a-carmen-corneta/
-DB _________________ Daniel Bassin
Conductor/Composer/Trumpeter/Improviser/Educator
I play:
Monette - CORNETTE/PranaXLT-STC Bb/MC-35/Raja A Piccolo;
Kromat C-Piccolo; Thein G-Piccolo; Various antique horns
MPCs - Monette Unity 1-7D and DM4LD |
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nkolisnyk Regular Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2012 Posts: 69 Location: Winnipeg, MB
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Danbassin wrote: | All of the above - the line is doubled by at least two or three players, so playing those quick triplet 'mordent' figures (on the beat) with a few friends adds that 'blurry' effect you're hearing. And, the European rotary flugelhorns (not trumpets) they're playing also contributes to this unique quality - more so the particular sound of these instruments, rather than the rotary mechanism. Finally, though this is a mere technicality, this music really isn't Klezmer, but Balkan brass of the Serbian Romani tradition --- truly great stuff, nonetheless.
Happy practicing!
-DB |
Ah good to know, thanks! The Band Balkan Beat box is another example of this amazing style. Here's one of my favourite tunes by them. Sounds like a boatload of practice required to get this down!
https://youtu.be/_4fifxR8EAw
That's interesting about the valve flugelhorns. I feel my n+1 itch coming on again... _________________ Yamaha Xeno 8335G Cornet
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh, very cool. Thanks for posting this. There is a video that floats around from time to time of one of these being played outdoors somewhere, I think perhaps in Spain. I've long wondered how they are played and that is a great article. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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1jazzyalex Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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There's a movie called "Trumpets Republic" you'll have to buy on DVD if you can find it, it's very rare and not online, but it's about this type of music and the society that produces it. It's very good which is why I mention it; it's worth the difficulty of obtaining it. _________________ Yamaha 8335LA with Blessing 3C, 5C, Schilke 11A4A |
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