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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:12 pm Post subject: Olds Recording cornet |
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Today I unexpectedly won a bid for a Olds Recording cornet on Shopgoodwill. Anyone have this cornet? What mouthpiece would you recommended? _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece
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Amateur's Amateur Regular Member
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations!
First of all, if the serial number is earlier than 189,611 it requires a larger-than-normal-shank mouthpiece. Not sure why Olds did it that way back then, but there it is. And 1954 should be before that number.
So any "large shank" Olds mp will work. I find that the Olds 3 is a good place to start. It's a bit deeper than a typical C-cup mp (or so it seems to me) and gets the sound more toward the deeper/fluffier/darker, cornettier sound that I seek when on cornet.
I use Curry cornet mp's myself and have three...the p cup, BBC and VC. But those are about $100 new, with shipping, from mouthpiece express. It costs a bit more than stock for the Olds shank. Never found a used one.
(I like the VC and BBC the most)
Some other options exist for getting mp's with this size shank..
http://rouses.net/trumpet/cornetmpc/cornetmpc.htm
One option not mentioned here is that Matt Frost at Frost Custom Brass will make the mp you like into a large-shank Olds.
http://www.frostcustombrass.net/services.html (scroll down towards the bottom of the page.) It's $50 to make the change and $15 for re-plate. I have never had it done, but he's done some other stuff for me and it looked and worked great. And he's friendly to deal with.
Of course, you can change the receiver and avoid all the large-shank issues. I like Curry, regardless of shank size. Well-made, options, and a variety of cups to suit whatever type of music you play or sound you seek.
Enjoy the Recording! |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: Olds Recording cornet mouthpiece |
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Thanks for the information. Found a few olds cornet mouthpieces including 27 model. I play on 3C and 4c equivalent mouthpieces.
Where does the recording fit in the Olds lineup and is it a intermediate cornet? _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece
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KevinW New Member
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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That is NOT an intermediate cornet. Top of the line. That is on my bucket list.
Enjoy!
Kevin _________________ 1940 Olds Super Recording
1957 Olds Recording
1946 Olds Super LA (Brass Tone Ring)
1954 Olds Ambassado Cornet (Brush finish by Charlie Melk)
1973 Olds SuperStar
1973 LA Benge ML
1960 Martin Indiana
1925 Conn New York Symphony 22B |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:22 pm Post subject: recorder cornet |
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Thanks Kevin. Good to know. The only Olds instrument, I have owed was a Olds Ambassador trumpet.
Since it came without a mouthpiece, what mouthpiece would recommend? _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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Abroadway New Member
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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I own one, and I was surprised by its performance right out of the case with the olds mouthpiece that came with it. Personally, I would recommend a curry mouthpiece - thats what I use. |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:44 pm Post subject: Conn #3 Silver Cornet Mouthpiece, Standard Long Shank Vintag |
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Would a Conn #3 Silver Cornet Mouthpiece, Standard Long Shank Vintage fit this cornet? Found one on ebay for a cheap price. Once I receive the cornet, I will see what current mouthpiece i have that fits in the receiver. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:57 am Post subject: Impatiently waiting on Olds Recording cornet |
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While I am waiting on the arrival of the Olds Recording cornet, wondering how it fits in their lineup. Ambassador is the student horn. What is the order of the others? _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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Amateur's Amateur Regular Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 5:26 am Post subject: |
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It's second from the top, price-wise. Heres's a catalog from 1957:
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds57/olds1957.htm
Ambassador, Special, Studio, Super, Recording, Mendez. Of those, I have only played the Super and the Special from that time period. The Recording has a stellar reputation as an Excellent cornet (and trumpet).
I'm betting you'll like it. |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject: haven't received |
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Thanks for information on lineup. Waiting on arrival. The photos show and dent in bend and not sure about lacquer. Always a risk buying from Shopgoodwill.
May boil off the lacquer and make raw brass. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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The "old" Olds cornet mouthpiece shank is about the size of a Bach taper flugelhorn mouthpiece. Most any modern cornet mouthpiece (including the older Conn short-shank) will be too small to fit correctly. Some won't seat at all, and others will seat way up the shank - neither is a good solution. I suppose you could wrap a standard cornet mouthpiece with some tape to get it to fit as a temporary fix until you find an Olds or custom one that fits correctly. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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I learned on that horn, but made slightly later in Fullerton so it takes a standard cornet shank. GREAT horn! Far superior to the more expensive Mendez.
As Dale says, the older LA receiver will take a Bach taper flugel piece. A shallower-brighter one makes a good option, but so does a deep one!
Other options include having a mpc custom made with that shank, and Mark Curry does that. He makes great deep cup stuff but still, you'd better know what you like.
You can modify the horn to accept standard cornet shanks. A purist frowns on that idea, but it may be the most practical. Assuming you bought it cheap it is definitely worth whatever it to takes to bring it up to top playing condition! |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject: Price of cornet |
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Bought the cornet for $54.00 dollars + shipping = $72.91. I won't modify it to accept to accept standard mps. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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Oncewasaplayer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Olds Recording Cornets are excellent horns and you can't lose at that price.
You can order an Olds shank on the Curry mouthpieces or from Terry Warburton. Warburton's shop responded immediately and with many options for tops and backbores. Enjoy. _________________ Getzen 800DLX cornet
Selmer Sigma trumpet |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 5:12 am Post subject: Conn #3 Silver Cornet Mouthpiece, Standard Long Shank |
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Bought this Conn #3 Silver Cornet Mouthpiece, Standard Long Shank Vintage. Liked the price. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:46 pm Post subject: recorder cornet |
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I thought cornet was advertised on Shopgoodwill as a Olds Recorder. Well it is a Recording , but not an Olds cornet. Has bottom springs and a notch in the valve casing like my Conn 17 A Director cornet. My trumpet mouthpiece fits in the receiver, but not any of my cornet mouthpieces. Lacquer isn't great and dent on bend of cornet. Valves are in excellent shape.
On Monday I will give it a hot bath and boil off the lacquer. Will make an excellent raw brass cornet. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...just wow... _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what Dale means by that, but you could damage the receiver by using it like that. Is it a cornet? Does it say Recording on the bell? |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:03 am Post subject: recorder cornet |
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Although advertised as an Olds Recorder, not an Olds cornet. I thought it was misprint.Photo and lacquer wasn't clear.
Cornet mouthpiece don't work in it. Large gap.
Will bring it to my tech person to fix dent in bend. See if he has any mouthpieces. _________________ Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2300 cornet
King 603 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B short shank mouthpiece
Vincent Bach 5 B short shank mouthpiece |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: |
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razeontherock wrote: | I'm not sure what Dale means by that... |
It's not even an Olds cornet. Just a mystery horn with "Recorder" stamped on the bell. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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