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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:40 pm Post subject: A new safari begins... |
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Got a box full of mouthpieces to try out on the front porch this afternoon.
In search of something a little better for the picc.
Bach 7E, 7EW, Curry 5P and 7P. Hopefully at least one of them will work better. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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The Warburton 6S with S10* backbore is working well for me on my Schilke P5-4. I'm using the Warburnite (hard rubber) top. I have a silverplated one I might be willing to sell or trade.
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1542 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:48 pm Post subject: Safari |
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Hello all,
I agree with Ed. I too use the Warburton 6S. I have a 10*, 8* and a S6 I go back and forth on depending on the piece and day. My 11AX just doesn"t have the vibrant sound that I was looking for. I had an 11BX made up thinking that would give me more lip room, but really didn"t provide the support of playing high and delicate enough. _________________ Christian K. Peters
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. I'm not very familiar with the Warburton system. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:03 am Post subject: |
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His size 5 rim measures .640", the next bigger number is.010" smaller, the next smaller# is .010" bigger, and so forth. S cup is good, not sure if anyone plays his SV on picc? |
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crose Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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For me, YMMV, reducing the diameter helps me more with picc than reducing the cup. Have used a Schilke 13B for years.
Of course a really deep cup does not work (for me).
A lot of folks like the DE Curry cups for picc. I like them for everything else.
I also like short model horns and cannot play my piece on a long model picc.
When you find it you will know. Be patient and have fun |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2177 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Bach picc mouthpieces never worked for me.
Stork was OK.
GR was leagues better than either. |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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razeontherock wrote: | His size 5 rim measures .640", the next bigger number is.010" smaller, the next smaller# is .010" bigger, and so forth. S cup is good, not sure if anyone plays his SV on picc? |
Almost...
Warb 5 is .650 - otherwise correct, incrementally bigger or smaller by .010". |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | Bach picc mouthpieces never worked for me.
Stork was OK.
GR was leagues better than either. |
Mmm I never had any luck with Bach either - Stork a bit better.
Haven't played the GR picc pieces.
It was a Reeves (40DPC) that killed the picc safari for me - impeccable intonation, superb response and exactly the tone I wanted. |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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In case I wasn't clear before, I'm not particularly unhappy with what I'm using now (Curry 3P), mainly because the rim is one I'm extremely comfortable with. But, I've been thinking of going smaller in the rim, for the same reason most people do, I suppose.
I'm pretty happy with the way it plays, but if there is a better option with a slightly smaller rim I can get along with as well, I wouldn't mind finding it.
The Bach models I listed above are often recommended (or at least used to be) so I decided to give them a shot. The other two Curry options are just the next two smaller sizes he offers. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am seeing a mature player who is happy with his equipment and his setup and is achieving everything he needs or wants.
i recommend changing something. That will be one less player to compete with me.
I think you need to define what success looks like. Richer sound, better articulation, more solid high register.
What exactly do you need from a mouthpiece because all I am reading is "I want to see if there is something better"
If you cannot see the target you cannot hit it. Changing something with no reason and in the hopes that you might get something better usually results in pain misery and disappointment. |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Bflatman,
I won't deny you have a point, of the 'if ain't broke, don't fix it' variety.
That said, I haven't really spent all that much time on picc and hadn't given it much direct examination before. I had one appropriate mouthpiece, and that was good enough.
That changed recently, when it really became a large percentage of my playing for quite a while. I had not experimented much (at all really) with Picc mouthpiece options, because for the longest time I only owned a few cornet shank pieces, and they were all of the rather deep variety and not really usable for this.
I mainly wanted to give it at least as much consideration as any other horn I play, like trumpet and flugel. So far, I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the curry pieces, other than feeling slightly more cramped as the rim gets smaller.
I don't really like either of the Bach's, which has served mainly to remind me why I don't use Bach's anymore.
The only real 'target' to use your terminology is to find something that might feel a little more efficient. I've been really busy and I'm running out of time for this trial period, but so far I may either end up staying with my current setup, or going one rim size smaller and leaving everything else the same. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 May 2013 Posts: 2123 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:35 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | I'm not particularly unhappy with what I'm using now (Curry 3P), mainly because the rim is one I'm extremely comfortable with. But, I've been thinking of going smaller in the rim, for the same reason most people do, I suppose. |
You might try a Stork Vacchiano 3P. Slightly smaller rim ID; the bore (#25) and backbore might be slightly bigger than the Curry 3P. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
Cornet Getzen Custom 3850S
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