Help with Haydn

Graham Altham-Lewis · Regular Member Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 31

My edition of the Haydn concerto is Boosey and Hawkes and is edited by Ernest Hall.

I have been listening to both Wynton Marsalis and Harden Hakenberger play it to get different interpretations of style/articulation etc.

Anyway whwn I was annotating mine with how they play it I found out they both play it differently to how mine is written.

3rd movement bar 200.

My edition (Bb) top C, thenA, F, E, G and then back up to top C. These two bars are then repeated but the last note is a C in the staff as opposed to a top C.

Anyway....Marsalis and Hakenberger both play it not going back to the top C the first time as my edition does but by going to the C in the staff at the end both times.

Which is correct?

Cheers

Gaham.

oj · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:39 am Post subject:

Graham,

Have a look here:

http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/haydn/

There you will see the Paul Handke copy of the original manuscript (in PDF format).
Often in newer editions there are a lot of (strange?) dynamic- and phrase- markings. The intro (bar 8 + bar 13 - 16) is also often left out.

Ole

Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:33 am Post subject:

It should go to the lower C both times. I would suggest finding a copy of the Henle edition, which is the most scholarly edition I've seen. There are a lot of editions of the Haydn with really wacky articulations added by the editors without comment.

Mr. Stomvi · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Apr 2002 Posts: 1062

Hey NE - Question for ya. Ya ever heard of a recording or a performance of the Haydn, Hummel or Neruda on an Eb cornet ?

Thanks in advance

Seth Moore
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trumpetchad · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject:

I think the Ed Tarr version is generally regarded as one of the best transcripts of the piece. Tarr has long been a great trumpet historian... I would tend to go along with anything trumpet-history related that he has released.

Graham Altham-Lewis · Regular Member Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 31

Thank you very much for your help and replies. Happy playing!

Graham.

hazmat · Heavyweight Member Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 669

Referring to the Paul Handke copy. It does have mistakes in it so don't base everything on that. Not that you would anyway. And there is a page missing from the file if I remember correctly.

trumpetmike · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:16 am Post subject:

They are not the first to play that high C, they probably won't be the last.

Many players use the music as a general guide, allowing them to embellish upon it. Maurice Andre has been known to take the end of the concerto up an octave. John Wallace adds in lots of passing notes all over the second movement.
If you get hold of a decent edition (Ed Tarr's is the best I have found), listen to lots of recordings (if you can find them, go for the ones on keyed trumpet - hear how it was supposed to sound) then start playing this piece as you, rather than your version of Wynton, Hakan or whoever.
Take the best bits from each version and put them together to form yours, should it make sense to do so.