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HockeyFan New Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Regina,Sk
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:08 am Post subject: Silent Brass |
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What do you guys think of the silent brass mute ?? |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1474 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Silent Brass |
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HockeyFan wrote: | What do you guys think of the silent brass mute ?? |
Im using it on a daily basis. My version is rather old - newer models smaller, lighter, freer blowing.
I see no direct disadvantages, other than that the extra resistance has to be watched out for but the newer models should be way better. On the other hand, carefully monitored this might enhance your stamina - in my experience that is.
Its a blessing to use since I can practice almost everywhere.
So expensive as it is, there are few alternatives. But they exist -
I vaguely remember some threads here on the topic. Heres a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sd26f5VWgw _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I have used both versions for years. I've used them in an apartment up to 12;30 a.m. with no comments from neighbors. I swear by them.
I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.
Regarding the difference between the two versions, I believe the intonation on the older version is a little better and the resistance and weight a little better on the newer. IMO there's been no significant difference in volume.
If you like, I've got the mute and electronic box in the original packing I will sell you at a big discount. If you're just curious this might be a way to go considering the price. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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trmptgvl New Member
Joined: 07 Oct 2017 Posts: 6 Location: Greenville, SC
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I use the newest model, SBX2, and am very pleased with it. It definitely keeps your playing private. I like the sound (using earphones) better than just using a practice mute. I wanted to get one for piccolo but I couldn't find it for sale. I reached out to Yamaha. Their reply suggested the original piccolo version wasn't a huge seller so they dropped it in their newest line up. I found one used online and it works well. However, I also had to buy the older "studio" part because the newest studio portion is not backward compatible with the original mutes.
The mutes do significantly increase back pressure. They can also alter intonation, the pic one more than the standard one. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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michael_bxl Regular Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 93 Location: Between Brussels and Ankara
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone compared it to the Denis Wick practice mute, in term of loudness ?
(It is hard to realize the loudness on the videos)
Thanks |
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PaddyW New Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2016 Posts: 1 Location: Southampton, UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:24 am Post subject: |
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In my experience it's far quieter than the Denis wick, it's the main reason I bought it to be honest. The newer one also has the advantage of being small enough to store in the bell |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:28 am Post subject: |
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The new YSB is quieter than any practice mute I've tried and that includes Wick, JoRal, Shhh, and Shastock. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Used the older version back when I lived in an apartment. It worked, I also hated how it made the horn respond.
Brad |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: |
I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.
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This is probably the single most important line in this thread.
The biggest problem with using practice mutes regularly is that it's easy to get into a habit of overblowing and fighting it - the electronic feedback significantly reduces that temptation and for that alone, the silent brass (or bestbrass e-brass) are the only ones I could recommend for regular use in good conscience (even then, open practice would still be preferable, ideally).
So with respect to the Wick (which is awful in pretty much every single way) or any other standard practice mute... It's not just about pure decibel reduction given the same input into the horn - it's about how much noise you actually make whilst practicing and the ones with feedback will almost always win on that front |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: |
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HockeyFan, there's an article from the ITG Journal on practice mutes that is posted here. I can't find it right now, but maybe you can with a proper search. It's very helpful. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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michael_bxl Regular Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 93 Location: Between Brussels and Ankara
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | The new YSB is quieter than any practice mute I've tried and that includes Wick, JoRal, Shhh, and Shastock. |
PaddyW wrote: | In my experience it's far quieter than the Denis wick |
Thanks for your answer. I think I should give a try. |
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grieshoptrumpet New Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I think it's good for on the road, but wouldn't use it religiously. |
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oldbenge New Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 6 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I used to use it but it's kinda bulky with wires etc. I used to have a practice mute that used a stethoscope. No batteries.. |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head. |
I have had my SB7X for about 3 years. I use it when I travel, especially in hotel rooms for warmups and routine practice with Sennheiser in ear phones, no complaints from anyone, even Wife sitting nearby watching TV. I also use it at home on a regular basis to woodshed parts using my IPad and YouTube. Often, my Wife is very nearby as are my dogs with no complaints (Wife) or howling (Dogs) even when I play very high. Not overblowing is very easy by dialing my volume on Headphones, most of the time Bose Noise Canceling on the ear type, to blend with whatever accompaniment. I also use the Mute alone as a practice mute before and during rehearsals and occasionally during performances to keep my horn warm during extended rests. Great product! _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
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trumpetera Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Gothenburg,Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: | kehaulani wrote: |
I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.
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This is probably the single most important line in this thread.
The biggest problem with using practice mutes regularly is that it's easy to get into a habit of overblowing and fighting it - the electronic feedback significantly reduces that temptation and for that alone, the silent brass (or bestbrass e-brass) are the only ones I could recommend for regular use in good conscience (even then, open practice would still be preferable, ideally).
So with respect to the Wick (which is awful in pretty much every single way) or any other standard practice mute... It's not just about pure decibel reduction given the same input into the horn - it's about how much noise you actually make whilst practicing and the ones with feedback will almost always win on that front |
Sometimes I wish there was a "like"- button on this forum! _________________ Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
Bach/Malone/Lechner C
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trumpetera Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head. |
I plug the computer/ipad's headphone jack to the aux. That way, I can watch History-Channel while warming up without disturbing anyone. _________________ Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
Bach/Malone/Lechner C
Malone-Bach 229 C
H.Ganter Bb
Schagerl Wienna (older model) C
Parker Natural |
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OldHorn Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Can the Silent Brass system be used to record your trumpet? Like an aux. output that could be plugged into the input of an audio interface or a DAW? |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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OldHorn wrote: | Can the Silent Brass system be used to record your trumpet? Like an aux. output that could be plugged into the input of an audio interface or a DAW? |
It can, but I hear it sounds lousy. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Trumpete62 New Member
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