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Barrett_GrayTrpt New Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: G/F trumpet |
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I'm in the market for a new (or good used) G/F trumpet. I'm currently playing on a Yamaha YTR-9710, but was informed by two Yamaha reps that they have discontinued the series. I'm also considering a Schilke G1L. Does anyone have or know where I can find either of these horns? All help appreciated. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8348 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Washington Music - http://www.wmcworld.com/ - carries lots of stuff - Yamahas, Schilkes, even the new Shires and is the exclusive dealer for Tony Scodwell's trumpets. In general, their prices are among the best.
Yamaha's are fairly common and carried most places. However, most stores probably wouldn't stock a G/F horn. Schilke's are less common but the same applies to the G horn.
Pro Winds used to carry lots of specialized pro horns, but I'm not sure what they currently do. WWBW/Musician's Friend used to as well - but dealing with them is always an interesting proposition.
You could always stop by the Schilke shop in Chicago. They ought to have one. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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MarkZ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed that Thompson Music has both a used Schilke G1L and a used Yamaha G/F. That seems like a rare opportunity. http://thompsonmusic.com/store/page3.html I bought my E3L from there. Good people.
WMC and Dillon Music are also excellent places to look. |
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loudog Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Nov 2001 Posts: 1445 Location: Hastings, NE
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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I was just going to recommend Thompson's...I've got my eye on that Yammie...and I've even got the cash for it...
But I think my fiancee would KILL me if I went and bought it, considering we're getting married in 6 months...
Thompson's rules...Mike is a super guy. _________________ -----------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Louie Eckhardt, trumpeter
http://www.LouieEckhardt.com
Associate Professor of Music
Hastings College |
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MarkZ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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loudog wrote: | I was just going to recommend Thompson's...I've got my eye on that Yammie...and I've even got the cash for it...
But I think my fiancee would KILL me if I went and bought it, considering we're getting married in 6 months... |
Lou-
Does Thompson's have a bridal registry? Shouldn't you get a wedding gift that you really want? You don't really want a set of dishes more than a new horn, do you? |
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johntpt 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 07 Feb 2002 Posts: 2284 Location: Toluca, Mexico
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
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I agree that Thompson Music is a great place to shop for a trumpet.
Even though I'm partial to Schilke's, that Yamaha is a much better deal, although the Schilke will give you more options down the road, such as adding an E natural bell if you think that would be useful to you.
I see that Dillon Music has a used Stomvi on the website for a very reasonable price, although I have no idea how those play.
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texastrumpeter Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I am the former owner of the Yammie at Thompson's found myself w/ 2 F/G's and traded that one off. Good Luck! It's good to add an F/G to your arsenal! |
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Brian Moon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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johntpt wrote: | I agree that Thompson Music is a great place to shop for a trumpet.
Even though I'm partial to Schilke's, that Yamaha is a much better deal, although the Schilke will give you more options down the road, such as adding an E natural bell if you think that would be useful to you.
I see that Dillon Music has a used Stomvi on the website for a very reasonable price, although I have no idea how those play.
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Don't waste your money on the Stomvi. _________________ Either is fine. My chops always feel great
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johntpt 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Horntrader has an old Selmer G for a great price right now - a great way to learn the G trumpet.
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Steve A Heavyweight Member
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Bumping an old thread:
I'm maybe interested in a G/F trumpet, and am wondering about the differences between the Schilke and Yamaha models. (And if there are any other players to consider.)
Can anyone share informed opinions? |
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gjarrell Veteran Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2010 Posts: 175 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Good luck finding someone who's played both.
I have a Yamaha that plays great, as expected. I think there are those who would like a bigger bell for the F setup, but that's a pricey upcharge from the Yamaha to the Schilke and begs the value question. Don't know what someone might charge to make a bigger F bell...$750+?
How do I use it? So far, it's been a solo instrument, but I did have an occasion to play the Vivaldi Gloria where it worked like a charm (in G mode).
Sometimes, you'll find the Yamaha for sale in the $2000 to $2500 range, which is a bargain in relative terms for this rare instrument. _________________ Glenn
"When you play, make a statement. Don't ask a question." - Prof. Fielder |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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If you want a G piccolo that works great, get a Scherzer. Apart from they're like rocking horse poop (rather rare), they play like no other G I have played, including Yamaha (nice, but small sound), Schilke (G14-L - it's a bit unfocused and tubby) or Bach (seemed OK, but it was years ago).
Just sit about and wait for a second hand one to appear! (bring popcorn so you don't go hungry, it will be a while)
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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johntpt 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:49 am Post subject: |
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The Yamaha G bell is a piccolo size bell, making it best for things like Cantata 51, but not so great as an orchestral instrument.
The standard Schilke bell is larger and they offer the option of purchasing 3 different G bells, plus an E natural bell to be used with the F slides, making it much more flexible.
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Andy Del wrote: | If you want a G piccolo that works great, get a Scherzer. Apart from they're like rocking horse poop (rather rare), they play like no other G I have played |
Still listed on their website, as well as a copy by Ricco Kuhn. Just a special order that takes a while maybe? _________________ (List horns here) |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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As a Schilke dealer we'd be more than happy to special order for you a G1L with any number of bell/key options you wish.
On a related note, should anyone be interested, I've successfully converted several Getzen 300 series (medium bore/short model) Eb/D trumpets to G and one to F/G. This could be the best use of these trumpets as the scale can be a bit dicey in the original keys, but very good when reduced to a Schilke style G with tuning bell and new leadpipe.
I hope this is helpful. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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brass crusader Regular Member
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I've got a 4-digit SN Schilke G1 with both F and G slides and bells for sale in the marketplace at the moment, priced well below others and new horns. Give it a look and feel free to email me for photos if you'd like more. |
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MRtpt Regular Member
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Bstradivarius Veteran Member
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For any Soprano trumpet set up with tuning bell, with a leadpipe directed straight into 3rd valve, the 3rd valve dries up very quickly, quicker than the other valves. This is because the 3rd valve is exposed to the air more directly.
In addition to oiling the valves after storage, I recommend putting a few drops of valve oil down the lead pipe each time before moving that valve, particularly after storing it for a few months. Then at least the first use of the 3rd valve is not totally dry. _________________ Jon J
Principal trumpet - Symphony Orchestra
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Bstradivarius wrote: | For any Soprano trumpet set up with tuning bell, with a leadpipe directed straight into 3rd valve, the 3rd valve dries up very quickly, quicker than the other valves. This is because the 3rd valve is exposed to the air more directly.
In addition to oiling the valves after storage, I recommend putting a few drops of valve oil down the lead pipe each time before moving that valve, particularly after storing it for a few months. Then at least the first use of the 3rd valve is not totally dry. |
I think putting oil down the leadpipe is good advice, but the first stroke will still be dry. Unless the valve is very loosely fitted. |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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Bstradivarius wrote: | For any Soprano trumpet set up with tuning bell, with a leadpipe directed straight into 3rd valve, the 3rd valve dries up very quickly, quicker than the other valves. This is because the 3rd valve is exposed to the air more directly.
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??? I'm sitting here wondering what trumpet doesn't have a direct connection to the 3rd vale, apart from 4 valve trumpets and herald piccolos...
Did you mean that the shorter leadpipe makes for less time for the air to cool and condense moisture around a water key, and that moisture then tends to collect around the 3rd valve and break down the lubrication of any oil present?
Otherwise our valve oil is going to quickly evaporate on ALL trumpets in one valve or another, as the air has to get in somehow...
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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