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presward Regular Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2013 Posts: 66 Location: Granada, España
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: Holton 47 |
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I just bought a 1947 Holton 47 online. It arrived the other day and I just put it through the rounds. I really like the horn. Build quality is excellent. The short throw valves are smooth and tight despite its age and the sound is brilliant. I know it is often deemed yet another "poor man's Committee" I have never played a real Committee. I love the sound of the Holton. It is dark yet is has bright overtones. The downsides I notice... Despite the reverse leadpide tuning slide and the ML bore, it feels rather tight. A lot of resistance. The other problem is the low range... the notes below the staff are very unresponsive and dead sounding. Anyone else have insight into this horn? I wonder if a valve alignment or other tweaking might help these problems. _________________ P. Mauriat 700
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derekthor Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Oct 2012 Posts: 480 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Have you cleaned it out? Just going from the information provided here, that might be the first thing to do. |
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Posts: 868
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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derekthor wrote: | Have you cleaned it out? Just going from the information provided here, that might be the first thing to do. |
I agree, cleaning it out would be the first thing to do.
I have never played a Holton model 47,
but I do own, and play on a regular basis a
Holton 49 ...Stratodyne model.
It is a great playing trumpet.
I have had it since 1960. My father bought it
used from a trumpet player he was working
with in a dance band.
I think a good Precision Valve Alignment would
be a good investment.
It will improve the way it plays. |
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Evinerate Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I too have had a few Holton 47s and 48s. They all had a unique different dark sound than Martin Committees and yes they did play a bit "tight" as well.
I really loved the solid build of the horn but it's wrong calling this horn a "poor man's Committee", it's really not that similar to the Committee. In my opinion, I feel many would like the tighter slotting of the Holtons with that unique dark tone more than the Committee upon picking both horns up the first time. |
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Robert Rowe Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 5364 Location: Chincoteague, Virginia
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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The 47 and the 48 are different horns. I've had both.
Still have a B-47, with 5" rose-brass bell. It's a keeper. Very unique.
The Model-48 has been compared to the Martin Committee. Having owned many, many Committees (and still have several), as well as (I think) four Holton Model-48's ... my opinion is they play / feel like a Committee ... but, do not sound like a Committee.
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: B-47 Holton |
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Charlie Shavers was playing a Holton B-47 when we worked together on the Tommy Dorsey band in the sixties. He also had a Getzen Eterna which the company featured him in advertising at the time.
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presward Regular Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2013 Posts: 66 Location: Granada, España
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the comments. I really like the sound of the horn. I did clean the horn. Lots of resistance still. Low register is not good sounding at all. Despite that I really enjoy it. _________________ P. Mauriat 700
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Robert Rowe Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 5364 Location: Chincoteague, Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: B-47 Holton |
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Tony Scodwell wrote: | Charlie Shavers was playing a Holton B-47 when we worked together on the Tommy Dorsey band in the sixties. He also had a Getzen Eterna which the company featured him in advertising at the time.
Tony Scodwell
www.scodwellusa.com |
Follow-up story:
I acquired my B-47 from a cat from Chicago. He informed he knew Bud Herseth, and learned about the Holton B-47 through him (Herseth).
As his story goes ... Herseth originally did play a B-47 in the CSO. However; "money $$ reared it's ugly head". Bach was anxious to get note-worthy symphony trumpeters to play and endorse the Bach Stradivarius. Somehow ... the CSO music-director, and conductor at the time, suddenly prevailed upon the trumpet section to switch-over (from whatever they were playing) to the Bach Strads. Herseth resisted ... but, agreed to pose in publicity shots with the rest of the section on Strads. Out of the eye of the camera lens, he continued playing his favored Holton B-47. Eventually, he relented, apparently ... and, played the CSO-owned Strad. He did not buy it.
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Dennis78 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I do enjoy my B47! I’ve never seen one with the reverse leadpipe though only on the 45&48. Not doubting you though as Holton did all sorts of crazy things.
I’ve not found the low end to be stuffy but I’ve not also found a mouthpiece I find very agreeable with it
I absolutely love Holton valve action!
Have fun with your new horn, I think it’s time I got mine back out _________________ a few different ones |
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mike ansberry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Check your valve alignment. It can make a big difference in the way a horn plays. _________________ Music is a fire in your belly, fighting to get out. You'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt. |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Lower register sucks means use thicker oil or get your valves rebuilt.
These horns will also shut down on you if you overblow. Spend some time playing pianissimo and find the resonance and it will open wide for you.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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presward wrote: | Thanks for the comments. I really like the sound of the horn. I did clean the horn. Lots of resistance still. Low register is not good sounding at all. Despite that I really enjoy it. |
Your impressions of the blow indicate it needs a valve refit. It's not uncommon, Holtons were not tightly fit pistons. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:58 am Post subject: |
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yourbrass wrote: | presward wrote: | Thanks for the comments. I really like the sound of the horn. I did clean the horn. Lots of resistance still. Low register is not good sounding at all. Despite that I really enjoy it. |
Your impressions of the blow indicate it needs a valve refit. It's not uncommon, Holtons were not tightly fit pistons. |
This is not been my experience at all.
I have a Holton Stratodyne ( model 49)
that was made in 1954, and I have owned it
since 1960.
The valves are in perfect condition, there is no wear
on the pistons at all, the compression is great.
There are no issues at all with the valves,
I play this horn on a regular basis, in fact I played it on a job last
night.
I'm wondering what you are basing your statement on ? |
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