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homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2198 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Guys and Dolls 2018 - MTI |
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hey gang
i just finished a two week run of Guys and Dolls this past weekend.
what a great show to play lead on
what a shamefully copied book to punish your musicians with.
this is another Finale copied book that is just dreadful to have to read
and you can bet that sight reading it is nearly impossible. it was revised in 2017
- this version tops out at Eb with plenty of Ds
- i had to cover the 2nd trumpet solo parts as i was the only trumpet
- lots of impractical mute changes and page turns
- Havana is a blast but it is so poorly notated that it's easy to step in
i still don't understand how an orchestra can play so out of tune and not nail their parts yet still find the time to text and play facebook grabass all during the show.......
i went of on them one day before the matinee.......but that's another thread........
i'm looking for the 1st & 2nd books to HAIR if anyone has a PDF of it for me
i'll be happy to answer any questions
ron _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
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Pete Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 1739 Location: Western Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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I'm playing the same book for six weeks! The same deal, I'm the only trumpet player. Showbiz...
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Rental books seem to be fairly consistently horrible. I guess they know they don't have to do anything but keep sending them out, decade after decade, filled with mistakes and hard to read pigeon-scratch. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2198 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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i agree but since they had to input it into Finale at least they could have hired
a real person and not a monkey pushing buttons......
the barring is incredibly lame throughout with notation that i have never ever seen in a chart.....
LAMEIOUS MAXIMUS _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
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Rapier232 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 1323 Location: Twixt the Moor and the Sea, UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve been booked to play this for a two week run. I’m hoping to be on second, as I’ve listened to Havana and don’t think I could play it very well. It’s at the top of my range. If any body has a copy of the parts it would be nice. We don’t get the music until 4 weeks before the first show and I’d like way more practice than that. _________________ "Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be".
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rapier232 wrote: | I’ve been booked to play this for a two week run. I’m hoping to be on second, as I’ve listened to Havana and don’t think I could play it very well. It’s at the top of my range. If any body has a copy of the parts it would be nice. We don’t get the music until 4 weeks before the first show and I’d like way more practice than that. |
4 weeks? Luxury! I'm used to getting it the same week, one orchestra run-through, one dress rehearsal with the cast, then it's showtime! I take extra pride if the book is unreadable and the mute changes impossible. To actually enjoy doing shows you have to be a little masochistic, and I kinda' like going to the dentist. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Played it this past weekend.
I've now played 4 versions:
- the original hand-copied rental (including a National Tour as the traveling Lead guy)
- the 2009 Broadway revival
- the 2008 Australian version
- and the August, 2017 version (the subject of this thread).
The 2017 version has individual books, which I think is a good thing. And many if not all of the terrible mistakes that are in the original hand-copied rental have been corrected. For me, the page turns were quite workable if you looked and planned ahead.
I really wish they had put the Havana duet into the 2nd book and not kept it in the 3rd book (like the original hand-copy).
This version also has a few members of the pit playing Latin percussion instruments during sections of Havana.
My biggest gripes about the 2017 version were the addition of DERBY mute (besides that it's not in the original, it's much easier to simply play into the stand) and the addition of "JAZZ MUTE" in "Runyonland."
The original says to go to Straight Mute for that section (although I've always played it open simply because it's a stupid-fast mute change). But for doing this in a high school setting (where it's a very popular show to stage), the ambiguity of "JAZZ MUTE" to a high school student, who's most likely struggling just to play the notes let alone any nuances, throws way too heavy of a curve ball into their minds.
These idiot young orchestrators who think they know what the hell they're doing just kills me. They program it into their little spiffy keyboards and have NO CLUE as to how difficult the logistics of actually doing stuff in the pit might be.
And don't get me started on how they mark articulations. Basically WRONG.
Ya know - articulations sounded GREAT with the original (meaning it wasn't broke) so don't try to fix it.
One last note - although it's not marked, all the Harmon mute sections should be with stem IN. It's stylistically correct and sounds muchos better than Harmon no stem. _________________ Tim Wendt
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2198 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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hi tim
i forgot to mention the ^^^^^^^ crazy copyist. what an idiot!
i basically went through and scribbled out 90% of the articulations
in this particular book. i didn't even bother to erase anything when i
gave the book back. i even wrote a nasty letter to be included with my book
mentioning all of these things in this post but they sent the books back
before i could slip it into mine. i guess i'll just have to snail mail it
what a disaster this prep work is. you are absolutely right it's like a monkey was just pushing buttons then printing out the parts
stem the whole time for me too. what is a jazz mute anyway?? _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 1102 Location: Sacramento, Ca
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | My biggest gripes about the 2017 version were the addition of DERBY mute (besides that it's not in the original, it's much easier to simply play into the stand) and the addition of "JAZZ MUTE" in "Runyonland."
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One last note - although it's not marked, all the Harmon mute sections should be with stem IN. It's stylistically correct and sounds muchos better than Harmon no stem. |
YES!! When I played this with a local group back in 05 or 06, we used Harmons with stem in throughout. It sounded sooo much better, especially on the Havanna.
I don't recall a number called "Runyonland." What was the scene? _________________ -Tom Hall-
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:19 am Post subject: |
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currently playing "The Mystery of Edwin Drood". One of the worst books (plural) I've seen.
2 books, the second, tunes that were added to the show after the 1st book was cobbled together. Couldn't be added to the original- had to make a second book for 4 tunes???
Both books copied AFTER an obviously amature production and before the handwritten edits were erased-lots of sharp reminders, cuts, and even some fingerings written in.
On top of the handwritten parts done by numerous hands. (some neat, some sloppy).. it's definitely challenging to read. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't know many who've played Drood. It's a show I really enjoyed playing. It didn't hurt that we had an actor in the lead roll that seems born to it. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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MBMinSC Regular Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2017 Posts: 30
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I am playing this in May (trombone book). I did it 40 years ago. Looking forward to this show as I love the music. _________________ Old trombone player trying to learn how to play this teeny little thing called a trumpet. |
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